The Nurse's Role in Providing Spiritual Care - Is It OK to Pray? - page 8

This brought up much discussion about whether or not offering prayer falls within the scope of the nurse while providing spiritual care. Is it appropriate for nurses or doctors to pray with... Read More

  1. by   elkpark
    Quote from khminh
    You are the shiny image of nurses. I'm not sure if how committed you are to your faith. In my opinion, the idea of being a devout Christian and a dedicated nurse seems oxymoron.

    When I was a naive immigrant, I always had good thinking about Christians, especially the ones in healthcare. After I encountered proselytizers and read the Bible myself, I realized that I have been an idiot.

    What I hate about Christians, specifically Christian nurses in this case, is that their assumption about the state of my soul.

    Nursing is a science-based art of healing in my mind. Until a Christian nurse can prove to me that I am spiritually sick, she doesn't have a right to "invite" me to pray to Jesus. I don't believe in sin; I don't believe in Yahweh or Jesus; I don't believe in the Bible; I don't live by biblical morality. Nurses who are bible thumping believers don't get it. By asking me to pray with her, she assumes that I worship the same deity as she does. By that, the implication is that I would face a fate worse than death until I accept her spiritual worldview.

    Around this board, you can tell how Christian nurses are. It seems like they have to exercise restrain so that they don't have to insult non-Christian patients. I'm not sure if I want nurses who have such burdens to take care of me. What if at the moment I lose my last breath, the nurse whispers in my ears "Think about Jesus so that you can avoid hell"? Why should I subject my dignity and intellectual autonomy to such nurses?

    I don't like being mean to people, but sometimes enough is enough. A nurse cannot take care of my well-being on one hand and implies that I would burn for eternity if I don't submit to her view.

    Not all devout bible believing nurses are capable to empathy. You are the exception. I love your humbleness when you are not shy from saying you don't know. I would love to be under your care.
    I'm sorry you feel you've had a few bad experiences with some Christian nurses, but are you going to continue to flog these ridiculous stereotypes here indefinitely? Most of the Christian nurses in the US would never consider doing what you claim you are so afraid of experiencing.

    You've mentioned repeatedly that you and your family are Buddhists. Buddhists in Myanmar are viciously butchering Rohingya refugees simply for being of a different faith (Muslim). Should people in the US be afraid to have you as a nurse because you might murder them for not being Buddhist? Since you're a Buddhist, you must be just like those Buddhists, right? That's the logic you're applying to Christians, so it must apply as well to you and your family.
  2. by   khminh
    Quote from elkpark
    I'm sorry you feel you've had a few bad experiences with some Christian nurses, but are you going to continue to flog these ridiculous stereotypes here indefinitely? Most of the Christian nurses in the US would never consider doing what you claim you are so afraid of experiencing.

    You've mentioned repeatedly that you and your family are Buddhists. Buddhists in Myanmar are viciously butchering Rohingya refugees simply for being of a different faith (Muslim). Should people in the US be afraid to have you as a nurse because you might murder them for not being Buddhist? Since you're a Buddhist, you must be just like those Buddhists, right? That's the logic you're applying to Christians, so it must apply as well to you and your family.
    Actually, I'm strong enough with my spiritual autonomy. I am aggressive toward Christians because I have seen with my own eyes how they tend to end a conversation with some statements like "I hope you're right", "You'll see on your deathbed. It may be too late", "You had better be correct",... I can go on and on.

    Those statements don't just come out of thin air. They have biblical root. If you read the Bible, the whole book, you will see.

    About people afraid of me taking care of them because of my spiritual background, I really don't mind. Buddhism has dogmas too. Although I cannot find any sayings from the Buddha that encourage violence against non Buddhists, I am willing to admit that some sects of Buddhism can be violent toward them. Since Buddhism does not acknowledge the Buddha as the Creator, there are various schools of Buddhism that teach different things. There is no such thing as a true Buddhist. The Burmese monks who commit violence against Muslims based on their belief are Buddhists just like me and my family. Who am I so say that they are not?

    In fact, it's not just about my religion, either. I have been accused to being a thief because I am Vietnamese. At first, I felt insulted. Then my uncle told me that in Southern California, many Vietnamese immigrants gathered to make gangs. They cause troubles, and that makes my ethnicity become a target of criticism.

    I am nothing like Vietnamese gangster in Los Angeles. However, I share the same cultural background, so I understand why people may have preconception about me. I am my own individual, but I also belong to a group. I don't like being grouped in a certain faction. However, humans are tribal by nature. That is the reality, and I have to face it.

    Through my action, a lot of prejudices go away naturally. I don't have to talk people out of those preconceived notions. A lot of Christian nurses on this forum don't seem to take criticism very well when I pointed out their so-called good intentions may insult people of a different faith. Those actions have roots in the Bible.

    I can go on to dissect biblical doctrines that those nurses endorse. I can quote the whole chapter in tha book to point out their cognitive dissonance. It will not be pretty, so I will not do it here.

    I am not a Dalai Lama's follower. I'm not perfect. My faith is not perfect. I am all right with criticism. If there is something about my religion that makes me less competent with my job, I hope patients and my colleagues tell me so that I can change it.

    If you think I exaggerate things, check out Maajid Nawaz. He is a devout Muslim, and yet he has seen the flaws in the Koran. He admits that Islam needs to reform and that extremists have justification in the scriptures. He encourages Muslims to face that and find a solution. He works with Sam Harris, an atheist, to build a bridge between Muslims and non Muslims.

    You have been on this board longer than I am. Perhaps you can show me where any Christian nurse has guts to tell other nurses to deal with the doctrine of the Bible. When a nurse tries to save a patient's soul, it's not out of thin air. The Bible has verses about non believers and punishment for them. If that nurse admits that there are verses in the scriptures that speak bigotry against non Christians and is willing to revise her belief so that her patients can receive her utmost respect and care, we would not have this endless debate about whether or not a nurse should initiate prayer to her patients.

    As soon as an atheist nurse exposes Christian nurses' behavior by criticizing their belief, other Christians immediately say, "That nurse is not a true Christian". History has mixed discovery about Jesus. There is zero evidence showing that he is incarnation of Yahweh. Until it is proven that Jesus is truly the son of God, I have no reason to accept the claim from "good" Christian nurses that "true Christians bring people to Christ through action." Sorry, living in America for 15 years, I have met many kind people from various religious backgrounds. There is absolutely no difference between religious people and atheists in terms of compassion.

    I don't become a Christian or an atheist because I see kindness in Christians or atheists.
    If there is a Christian nurse in this forum who is able to face the reality of her religion, if you can show me any nurse who has the courage to deal with the flaws in the Bible, if the Christian nurse is willing to put her belief aside for the patient's sake, if you can just give me a quote from such a nurse, I promise you I would back down. I came here only because I want to support atheist nurses. It's not fair that Christian nurse charge at them like a bee hive.

    By the way, in the past, I went to church with this elderly resident who was under pain management because I felt like she needed encouragement so that she could maintain her will to live. She was a faithful Christian, and church was important for her. She knew I was a Buddhist, so she didn't ask me, but I voluntarily put my belief aside to go to church with her. Even though she didn't make it, I attended her funeral because she hoped that I would be there to say goodbye.

    My faith is important, but my humanity is even more important. I will not let my religious bias interfere my compassion for a human.

    Do you think that a Christian nurse is capable of doing so when she believes that non believers are destined in a lake of fire?

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