Religion, culture and nursing - page 2

Last night I was reading a thread about a Jehovah's Witness nurse. I found it fascinating! I read every single post. It got me thinking... what religions hinder full holistic nursing care? JW's have... Read More

  1. Visit  CJMR profile page
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    I have been atheist my whole life. I have a hard time understanding religious beliefs and practices because they all sounds a bit wacky to me. However, I try my hardest and, of course, respect and tolerate a person's health preferences not matter what. It is their body & life and they are free to live & die as they please. I am their nurse and I am there to help them recover within their personal limits. I am not there to push my beliefs on them or judge them.

    The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is when patients ask me to pray with them. If I can fake it by sitting quietly with them for a moment while looking down, I will for their peace of mind. If they ask me to pray for them I say, "I'll keep you in my thoughts." If a patient asks me directly about religion I tell them I prefer not to discuss religion or politics in my workplace. Most of the time they drop the topic...sometimes they won't. If they persist I usually ask them if they would like to talk to someone who can offer spiritual guidance. If so, I refer them to the hospital chaplain.
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  2. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from KarmaWiseRaven
    I'm Pagan I'm all about holistic healing herbs oils and so on. I try to keep away from western medicine as much as i can. When I'm sick i see my holistic practitioner ( Dr Bombay) kidding but funny. Really my Dr Bombay is female.

    I do also have a primary care doctor as well and both of them do talk when i have to take a medication or some sort of action. I do carry a DNR on my person's and my advance directives are very clear. No harsh pain medications if I'm in pain. If I get sick like ( Cancer ) or something else life threatening i will not look for options even if it was to save my life. There's a reason why i have it and it's life threatening. ( Meaning my time is almost up on this earth)

    I try to keep chemicals out of my body. Now if i pass away don't put me in the ground. I don't not belong in a graveyard and i feel that if I'm in the ground my soul will be trapped for all time and i wont advance in to the next realm.

    And speaking of realms this to me is a teaching realm we are suppose to learn lessons while we are here ( Emotions is the key this time ) and we have lived many lives before. So burn me like the pagan I am and scatter my ashes in the wind so i will will be free. This is what i believe. These are my thoughts use them as you wish..
    No disrespect, but I want to try to appreciate your mental frame of reference. You say you do not want chemicals in your body, but anything consisting of atoms will by definition be a chemical. The water we drink to the air we breath is a chemical. An antibiotic is as much a chemical as a molecule of water. Where exactly is the cut off for good chemical versus bad chemical. Honestly, everything that occurs within our body is chemistry.

    I appreciate you taking an opposing view...
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  3. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    Quote from GilaRN
    No disrespect, but I want to try to appreciate your mental frame of reference. You say you do not want chemicals in your body, but anything consisting of atoms will by definition be a chemical. The water we drink to the air we breath is a chemical. An antibiotic is as much a chemical as a molecule of water. Where exactly is the cut off for good chemical versus bad chemical. Honestly, everything that occurs within our body is chemistry.

    I appreciate you taking an opposing view...
    I'm sure the poster is aware of atoms and molecules. Surely you could understand from the context of her post what she meant.

    I'll grant you, it's an unusual view for someone in healthcare...but many of us provide care on a daily basis that we would not want for ourselves or our loved ones.
  4. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    Quote from nozyrozy40
    No disrespect intended KarmaWiseRaven...but this is utterly ridiculous!! I would be dead for 11 years had I thought this way. My boys would be without their Mother for 11 years. They are now 18 and 19. I am a fairly new nurse....graduated Dec. 08. I would not be in this wonderful line of work had I thought the way you do. I was because of my experiences that I became a nurse. I am a 3 time cancer survivor...yes....3 different cancers...all diagnosed w/in 3 years of eachother. I'm glad modern medicine and my wonderful positive attitude have given me these last 11 years and hopefully many, many more to come.
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    No disrespect intended? Really? Calling someone's personal beliefs "utterly ridiculous" constitutes disrespect, no matter what words you use to preface that statement.

    She wasn't saying that her path was the right path for everyone; they're her personal beliefs for herself. I personally wouldn't choose them for myself, either; I'd fight like you did. But I wouldn't ridicule or harshly judge someone who refused treatment. We need all kinds of nurses in our profession; the diversity enriches us.
  5. Visit  Tweety profile page
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    What's wrong with calling someone's belief's utterly ridiculous, as long as we don't infringe on their rights to hold those beliefs?

    I do think diversity in nursing enriches us and there's room for us all. I don't think telling patients their beliefs are ridiculous is in any way shape or form apropriate.

    However, this is a discussion board and frankly, there's a lot of beliefs that I feel are utterly rediculous....such as a talking snake, living inside a whale and being spit out, rising from the dead and saving the world, things of that nature. Why is it disrespectful for me to say so? Isn't it reverse disrespect to shoot me and my beliefs down?

    I will acknowledge that it's probably better to say "I don't feel that way", rather than say what we really mean.

    Again, I'm talking in the context of a discussion board, not direct patient care or work interactions.
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  6. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    I think using the words "utterly ridiculous" in reference to someone's beliefs is inflammatory and does not contribute positively in any way, shape, and form to a discussion. I don't think environment matters; if it's rude in a face-to-face discussion, it's rude on the internet. If the intent of the forum is simply to be rude buffoons who try to one-up each other in witty and unhelpful comments, fine, it's appropriate. If the intent of the forum is to create an environment conducive to discussing different situations and view points, then no, it's not appropriate.

    No disrespect intended, but you are a complete idiot.

    How would that phrase NOT be disrespectful? Writing the phrase "no disrespect intended" prior to writing something rude does not somehow lessen the rudeness.

    A more appropriate use of the phrase could be "No disrespect intended, but I cannot agree with your belief system. I want to live, and in fact have fought cancer, 3 times, using standard chemotherapy. If I wouldn't have used the chemo, I would have left two young children motherless. "

    Anyhow, I was just irritated by the idea that 1) If you use the phrase "no disrespect intended" you can say whatever rude, mean, or inappropriate thing you want to say and have it somehow be okay, and 2) it's okay to call someone's religious beliefs "utterly ridiculous", particularly when the pagan poster gave NO impression that she believed that everyone else should believe that too, or that she looked down upon those who did not follow her religion.

    I guess it depends upon the intent. Do you really want to have a discussion, or do you just want to tell others what you think? Do you want to have some back and forth, or do you just want others to acknowledge your opinions as the only correct opinions? Is this a discussion board or a forum where anything goes?
  7. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    I'm sure the poster is aware of atoms and molecules. Surely you could understand from the context of her post what she meant.

    I'll grant you, it's an unusual view for someone in healthcare...but many of us provide care on a daily basis that we would not want for ourselves or our loved ones.
    No, I do not understand the context of said post. If I did, I would not have asked for clarification. The binding energy of an electron in it's ground state (n=1) for a hydrogen atom is -13.6 electron volts. This does not change from nature to a lab. Therefore, I wish to know what mental frame of reference exists when somebody uses a vague term such as "I don't want chemicals in my body." Clearly, this is rather non-discrete and vague, thus I stand by my prior post.
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  8. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    You can't get from the context of her post that she's referring to synthetic agents such as allopathic medications? Really?
  9. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    You can't get from the context of her post that she's referring to synthetic agents such as allopathic medications? Really?
    Yeah really. I can make "synthetic" water in a lab if I wanted. So, where do we draw the line?
  10. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    I think you're trying to split hairs. I can't believe you don't understand the context of her statement. I'm done, though. Continue to proclaim your ignorance of her meaning all you want. Perhaps she'll return and enlighten you.
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  11. Visit  GilaRRT profile page
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    I think you're trying to split hairs. I can't believe you don't understand the context of her statement. I'm done, though. Continue to proclaim your ignorance of her meaning all you want. Perhaps she'll return and enlighten you.
    Perhaps the person in question will. Another example would be say norepinephrine. It's naturally created; however, we can make the same molecule, synthetically, in the lab and administer it as an "allopathic medication" This is not splitting hairs at all.

    Edit: I'm not being argumentative, I want to know what the person in question is thinking. Is it anticancer agents with their side effects that's a problem, antibiotics, or any agent created in a lab period? If somebody does not want treatment, that is their decision; however, what is wrong in asking somebody on a public forum to define their rational and better define their stance?
    Last edit by GilaRRT on Nov 22, '10
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  12. Visit  BluegrassRN profile page
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    Quote from GilaRN

    Edit: I'm not being argumentative, I want to know what the person in question is thinking. Is it anticancer agents with their side effects that's a problem, antibiotics, or any agent created in a lab period? If somebody does not want treatment, that is their decision; however, what is wrong in asking somebody on a public forum to define their rational and better define their stance?
    Fair enough. It seems to me that you are being argumentative (pot, meet kettle at this point), because it seems so obvious to me what she means. Perhaps I've just known too many pagans and "natural" types.
  13. Visit  Tweety profile page
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    Quote from BluegrassRN
    I think using the words "utterly ridiculous" in reference to someone's beliefs is inflammatory and does not contribute positively in any way, shape, and form to a discussion. I don't think environment matters; if it's rude in a face-to-face discussion, it's rude on the internet. If the intent of the forum is simply to be rude buffoons who try to one-up each other in witty and unhelpful comments, fine, it's appropriate. If the intent of the forum is to create an environment conducive to discussing different situations and view points, then no, it's not appropriate.

    No disrespect intended, but you are a complete idiot.

    How would that phrase NOT be disrespectful? Writing the phrase "no disrespect intended" prior to writing something rude does not somehow lessen the rudeness.

    A more appropriate use of the phrase could be "No disrespect intended, but I cannot agree with your belief system. I want to live, and in fact have fought cancer, 3 times, using standard chemotherapy. If I wouldn't have used the chemo, I would have left two young children motherless. "

    Anyhow, I was just irritated by the idea that 1) If you use the phrase "no disrespect intended" you can say whatever rude, mean, or inappropriate thing you want to say and have it somehow be okay, and 2) it's okay to call someone's religious beliefs "utterly ridiculous", particularly when the pagan poster gave NO impression that she believed that everyone else should believe that too, or that she looked down upon those who did not follow her religion.

    I guess it depends upon the intent. Do you really want to have a discussion, or do you just want to tell others what you think? Do you want to have some back and forth, or do you just want others to acknowledge your opinions as the only correct opinions? Is this a discussion board or a forum where anything goes?


    I appreciate what you're saying. Lot's of people say things like "I'm sorry but......." when they are anything but sorry. Or say "not to be rude......." and then are totally rude. It bugs me to no end also.

    I didn't mean to imply it was a positive statement designed to promote positive discussion.

    I'll surrender that your rewrite of what is more appropriate to you is less rude sounding and I've already acknowledged that phrasing matters.

    I agree with you more than disagree.

    Still, rather than call the poster a rude buffoon (your words), I can take them at face value and believe that they really mean no disrespect and really think the posters beliefs are utterly ridiculous, especially considering modern chemotherapy saved her life. Just as another poster called religious beliefs "wacky" or "hindering of care", etc.

    I don't think the intent of this post was discussion but to state his/her opinion. Sometimes we do that and don't invite back and forth discussion, especially in matters of religion and ethical beliefs......we think we are right...we state that, and then end the discussion. Nothing wrong with that on a discussion board either, happens all the time.

    And no this is not a board where anything goes.

    I also understand that regardless of intent it's how it's interpreted that matters most and we should phrase things with that in mind.
    Last edit by Tweety on Nov 22, '10
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