Praying in the work place

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FSUNurse2b

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*** You can count me as one who knows the world is a better place than it has ever been. Those who don't agree simply don't understand history.

Yes, to some, "peace and safety" means the world is becoming a better place. But, what do you think the apostle Paul meant by these words in his letter to the Thessalonians, some 2,000 years ago? "History" says one thing. The Word of God, says another...

1 Thessalonians 5:1-15

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

PMFB-RN, RN

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Yes, to some, "peace and safety" means the world is becoming a better place. But, what do you think the apostle Paul meant by these words in his letter to the Thessalonians, some 2,000 years ago? "History" says one thing. The Word of God, says another....

*** By any measurment the world is a better place for humans. It is a common myth that there was some wonderful "Golden Age" and the human condition has been on a steady decline ever since. An objective look at history will demonstrate that is false.

I didn't and don't read the bible quotes you provided. I _AM_ interested in your thoughts on the subject but the quote you proved has as much meaning to me as the charecters on a Chinese food menu.

BrandonLPN, LPN

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FSUnurse, if you're going to have an intelligent debate about this issue you need some verifiable, objective data. Quoting the Bible only proves what is written in the Bible..... nothing else.

Do you realize how unintentionally ironic your statement " 'history' says one thing. The word of God says another." is? Facts are facts.

It's an indisputable fact that humans are better off today from a material and physical health/longevity perspective. Now, I suppose we could argue about whether our "souls" or "spirits" are better off. Of course, the only reason we could argue that is because it's unverifiable either way.

I find it interesting that the religious fundamentalist crowd clings to debates and theories that are purely speculative and intangible in nature. Hard to proven wrong when the very substance of your beliefs are rooted in the unseen and unknowable. It's no different than if I were to say there's a race of super intelligent carrot-people living on the other side of the galaxy. An outrageous and bold statement, sure. But since there's no real way of proving it false, no one can tell me I'm wrong, can they?

PMFB-RN, RN

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It's no different than if I were to say there's a race of super intelligent carrot-people living on the other side of the galaxy. An outrageous and bold statement, sure. But since there's no real way of proving it false, no one can tell me I'm wrong, can they?

*** Of course the burden of proof would be on you as the person making the claim. You would be reduced to the "cause _I_ believe it to be true" argument. If you could get a lot of other people to agree with you that would be seen as "proof" by many people.

BrandonLPN, LPN

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*** Of course the burden of proof would be on you as the person making the claim. You would be reduced to the "cause _I_ believe it to be true" argument. If you could get a lot of other people to agree with you that would be seen as "proof" by many people.

Hmmm, "getting a lot of people to agree with your incredible beliefs in order to make them appear credible" is as good a definition of organized religion as any I've ever seen.

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tnbutterfly - Mary, BSN

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ADMIN REQUEST

This discussion has strayed far from the original topic of this thread - "Praying in the Workplace."

I suggest that you create a new thread in the Ethics/Philosophy/Religion forum for your discussion regarding whether or not the world is a better place today.

Please keep all further discussion in this thread on the topic of Praying in the Workplace.

FSUNurse2b

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ADMIN REQUEST

This discussion has strayed far from the original topic of this thread - "Praying in the Workplace."

I suggest that you create a new thread in the Ethics/Philosophy/Religion forum for your discussion regarding whether or not the world is a better place today.

Please keep all further discussion in this thread on the topic of Praying in the Workplace.

I was not aware of that thread. Thank you!

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tnbutterfly - Mary, BSN

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You are welcome.

There is nothing wrong with the topic of your discussion, however, it is better to start a new thread with this as the topic of the thread.

Thank you for understanding. We do welcome your participation. :)

FSUNurse2b

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:) Thank you tnbutterfly.

MunoRN, RN

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If you are a Christian, I believe that you must not stand down because someone denounces Christ. I may not be right but I always pray with my patients, ask God to have mercy on their souls and then ask them if they have taken Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. What is EOL?
For the sake of basic Nursing ethics please stop doing this. Hospitalized patients are easy targets for prosthelytizing, which is all the more reason not to take advantage of that situation. If you're praying with the patient because it reflects their values and beliefs that's appropriate. If you're praying for the patient and questioning their lack of agreement with your particular religious choices specifically because they don't or may not share your views then you're violating the basic principles of Nursing.

PMFB-RN, RN

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
ADMIN REQUEST

This discussion has strayed far from the original topic of this thread - "Praying in the Workplace."

I suggest that you create a new thread in the Ethics/Philosophy/Religion forum for your discussion regarding whether or not the world is a better place today.

Please keep all further discussion in this thread on the topic of Praying in the Workplace.

*** Will do. However I have to wonder why certain discussion are allowed to swerve very far from the OP without admin comment and some are kept on the strait and narrow. Not really looking for or expecting an answer.

MunoRN, RN

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Being raised in Friends Church (Quaker) I realize my views on worship particularly in the context of groups is not the same as other Christians. One significant way in which we differ is in how religion should be incorporated into other societal structures, such as government and the workplace. Friends believe that any mixing of any sort of power structure and Christianity is antithetical to Christian beliefs and only the creates the opportunity for evil purposes.Worship and a person's relationship with God is personal and should always be direct, without 'middlemen' who attempt to speak for you to God, or who attempt to speak for God to you. Even in Church prayer is silent since being led in prayer allows someone to speak to God for you and potentially manipulate your relationship with God and vice versa.

This at least partially stems from the roots of Quakerism when the Church of England established that God spoke through the King and that the King was closer to God than the common man, which Quakers believe the bible describes as being a satanist structure. Like the Puritans, Quakers also believed this applied to the Pope and Catholicism and that the Bible vividly describes the Pope as being the antichrist. While it's a much smaller scale, when institutionalized prayer or worship is used in the workplace or government, it follows the same basic formula.

As to 'what kind of country are we', we are a country initially formed and founded on a fierce belief that government should be religion neutral. The Puritans came here fleeing a government sponsored religion/Religion sponsored government and that sentiment remained strong through our founding. Our founding father were in large part Christian, although to be more accurate they were Freemasons, a Christian based group, although you'll find many (not me) who claim they are more devil worshippers than Christians. So to many, we're a country based on devil worship, which I'd argue isn't the case.

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