Is Faith Enough? - page 2

I use to think that faith was enough- that if I had enough faith, I could accomplish anything. Faith is something that I think can lead us into the belief of being able to have a stronghold on life.... Read More

  1. by   GitanoRN
    Quote from mn-nurse
    you can almost hear them continue, "god wants me to have a full and healthy nervous system, but he wants you to be in constant pain, paralyzed, impotent and incontinent...isn't that wonderful???"

    i know this is harsh, but is is about the *patients*. not us.
    needless to say, at times it makes you think on the reality of some issues~
  2. by   madwife2002
    Depends on what you mean by saying

    'I can't just blindly believe things will work out, when I know they wont"

    Things often work out differently that you would expect but does that mean that it didn't work out? or does it mean they did
  3. by   VivaLasViejas
    Good answer, madwife!

    It's disappointing that so many people, both here and in the world at large, still seem to be incapable of discussing their beliefs WITHOUT slamming somebody else's and/or being slammed in return. Some are, as evidenced by the presence of several well-thought-out posts in this thread; unfortunately, these are almost always overshadowed by the kind of synaptic misfirings which, in other times and in other parts of the planet, have given birth to wars.

    Just saying...
  4. by   GitanoRN
    Quote from vivalasviejas
    good answer, madwife!

    it's disappointing that so many people, both here and in the world at large, still seem to be incapable of discussing their beliefs without slamming somebody else's and/or being slammed in return. some are, as evidenced by the presence of several well-thought-out posts in this thread; unfortunately, these are almost always overshadowed by the kind of synaptic misfirings which, in other times and in other parts of the planet, have given birth to wars.

    just saying...
    i'll 2nd that emotion as well....aloha~
  5. by   Esme12
    Quote from VivaLasViejas
    Good answer, madwife!

    It's disappointing that so many people, both here and in the world at large, still seem to be incapable of discussing their beliefs WITHOUT slamming somebody else's and/or being slammed in return. Some are, as evidenced by the presence of several well-thought-out posts in this thread; unfortunately, these are almost always overshadowed by the kind of synaptic misfirings which, in other times and in other parts of the planet, have given birth to wars.

    Just saying...
    I couldn't agree more. If it doesn't hurt anyone and it makes them feel better I see no reason not to allow each their belief. I happen to believe in faith. That there is "something" out there....I call him God.

    Is it real to someone else? I don't know........ but it makes me feel better.
  6. by   GitanoRN
    is faith enough?... to put into perspective i shall say is a strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. however, faith is believing the real world behind the material world around us which can define faith in many forms...just saying
  7. by   Phil-on-a-bike
    "Is faith enough?"

    Far from it, in my view.
    Religious faith is the conviction that 2+2=5.
    The more sincere, committed and ardent that conviction, the more we're supposed to admire it.
    The concept of faith carries within it a pernicious and harmful idea:

    2+2=5 is a Perfect Truth. Therefore, if you look around you, and see that 2+2 does NOT =5... the fault must lie with you.

    "If you opened your heart, 2+2 WOULD =5."

    If you prayed harder, if you tithed more money, if you turned to OUR denomination, if you read OUR book, if you accepted (insert prophet of choice here).

    I don't buy it, and what's more, neither do the vast majority of purported believers.
    When illness or injury strike, the faithful may well pray... but they also seek medical treatment.

    The central flaw in this article, for me, lies in the phrase; "How do we know our religion, our belief - is the "right" one?"

    That phrase shows that the questioner is locked-in to a very specific mindset - the conviction that there IS a "right one" - that there is a single, all-explanatory 'Answer to Life's Great Questions', and that it does without doubt lie within the field of religion.

    This is like an alcoholic lying awake wondering why vodka hasn't offered a solution to life's problems, asking himself if maybe whisky is the answer.

    This way of thinking has always struck me thus:

    There are a gaggle of people clustered around a sack of coal.
    Each - for whatever reason - is convinced that somewhere in this sack is a diamond.
    Each, in turn, reaches into the sack. First guy is extatic - he's found the diamond - Catholicism!
    Everybody else just looks at him. Is he crazy? That's not a diamond - it's just a lump of coal. Next guy reaches in - Islam! Now THIS is the diamond, he proclaims.
    And so it goes on.
    Theyre all holding coal.
    They can all plainly see that the others are holding coal. They can clearly see the others are deluded in the conviction that they possess a diamond.
    They cannot see that they themselves are holding coal, and will not entertain the notion that it may be so.
    The very same arguments which to their minds, prove beyond doubt that the others hold coal, seem easily explained away when levelled at their own precious diamond.
    Why? Faith. Each has faith that they're not just clutching coal.

    There can be no progress from that impasse unless someone is willing to consider the possibility that there may be no diamond in that sack.

    So is faith of any use?

    Of course it is. It can be used to justify, in the minds of the devout, actions which could not possibly be justified by rational thought alone.
    This comes in particularly useful when flying airliners into skyscrapers.

    Be happy!
  8. by   Proverbs16:24
    Spiritual needs can sometime be overlooked and although physical needs are important, compassion also repair (re-repair) neurons and create new synaptic connections.
  9. by   GrumpyRN
    Quote from Proverbs16:24
    Spiritual needs can sometime be overlooked and although physical needs are important, compassion also repair (re-repair) neurons and create new synaptic connections.
    What???

close