"Fired for NO Reason" - page 53

we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if only because i can clearly see... Read More

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    Quote from dlatimer
    after reading most of these posts it is obvious that there are different perspectives. i find it interesting that compassion is a 'requirement' for being a good nurse, but i have trouble finding it in some of these posts. no doubt there is an educational, learning and attitude deficit, but on which end? practicing mindfulness, compassion and willingness is sometimes difficult. it is sometimes difficult to remember nursing is a team effort. communication is essential to good care. is this an example that nurses eat their young?
    no, what it is is an example that sometimes new nurses who get fired for very good reasons -- such as just not being able to put it all together after multiple second chances with multiple new preceptors -- are the ones crying "nurses eat their young!" i see far more examples in my own unit of nurses who cannot cut it for whatever reason -- they cannot critically think, they haven't get mastered time management or prioritization to the tiniest degree, they haven't grasped the concept of working nights, weekends and holidays and repeatedly call off sick when they're scheduled for one or they come to work chronically late or chronicallly impaired -- than i see anything that could even by a stretch of the imagination be called nurses eating their young. in my experience, that phrase is used as an excuse for why someone couldn't succeed far more than it's the reason. far, far more.
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    Quote from llg
    Worth repeating.

    Not everyone can be President ... an astronaut ... a ballerina ... a star athelete ... etc. when they grow up. Part of the process of finding OUR niche in the world is learning to accept the fact that we are not well-suited for some other things.
    no matter how much we may want it.........
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    Quote from MAISY, RN-ER
    While I agree women can be viscious, I don't believe it is only nursing in which this occurs. They are trained throughout school to be evil and by evil mothers as they grow up! But as someone who has worked with men and has learned that at least women are evil in your face, men will trip you up quietly smiling all the while. However they do perform better as team members.

    That being said, the money portion is very true. If my ER precepts a new grad for 22-25 weeks they are with another nurse. One salary is completely shot to hell, certifications, and classes also cost a fortune. How much is a round of PALs, BLS, ACLS, and ABLS worth? How about IV certification and trauma courses? I am not sure about 100K but am definitely sure of about 50K.

    Maisy
    So, there is a price on life? (But, I may be quietly smiling while tripping you up.) Do you agree that men, as well as women, can be stereotyped?
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    Quote from dlatimer
    So, there is a price on life? (But, I may be quietly smiling while tripping you up.) Do you agree that men, as well as women, can be stereotyped?
    I dont see where you are getting this crack from?
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    I get ya dlatimer. Morte, you are crabby tonight.

    llg, I get ya too. But reading how you gotta have "the right stuff", to be one of the "few, the proud..." yadaaaaaa. It's a silly Johnson and Johnson nursing commercial after a while to me and a whole lotta horse you no what. Nursing often sux, and then you got this lie about the 10s of thousands it costs for someone to do a quicky on how to set up an IV, ACLS, etc. Sub par is what I call this type of training. If you got minimum 6 months to a year residency, then we can start putting a price tag. But seriously, New grad nurse training is not what I would call premium quality stuff that I'd pay for, now come on, really?
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    Quote from onaclearday
    I get ya dlatimer. Morte, you are crabby tonight.

    llg, I get ya too. But reading how you gotta have "the right stuff", to be one of the "few, the proud..." yadaaaaaa. It's a silly Johnson and Johnson nursing commercial after a while to me and a whole lotta horse you no what. Nursing often sux, and then you got this lie about the 10s of thousands it costs for someone to do a quicky on how to set up an IV, ACLS, etc. Sub par is what I call this type of training. If you got minimum 6 months to a year residency, then we can start putting a price tag. But seriously, New grad nurse training is not what I would call premium quality stuff that I'd pay for, now come on, really?
    I'm sorry you have had such negative experiences as a nurse that it has given you such a low opinion of the profession. But the truth is, nursing is not for everyone. Some people do fine: others do not. Sometimes, those who fail, fail because they lack the knowledge and/or skills necessary to do the job. Other times, they lack personal qualities that make them poor employees and team members. I don't think it's the "few, the proud, etc." Nursing doesn't have to be that exclusive. But certainly there are people in this world who need to be fired -- or counselled to resign and try some other job.

    And yes, orientation DO cost thousands of dollars. You are obviously not taking the cost of the salary and benefits into consideration. While the new employee is on orientation, they are getting paid -- but not helping the employer generate additional income. That's where the big expense of nursing orientation (and much other education) is.
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    Quote from onaclearday
    I get ya dlatimer. Morte, you are crabby tonight.

    llg, I get ya too. But reading how you gotta have "the right stuff", to be one of the "few, the proud..." yadaaaaaa. It's a silly Johnson and Johnson nursing commercial after a while to me and a whole lotta horse you no what. Nursing often sux, and then you got this lie about the 10s of thousands it costs for someone to do a quicky on how to set up an IV, ACLS, etc. Sub par is what I call this type of training. If you got minimum 6 months to a year residency, then we can start putting a price tag. But seriously, New grad nurse training is not what I would call premium quality stuff that I'd pay for, now come on, really?
    no, just being literatl and concrete....still dont get where that comment came from, except maybe out of the sky blue sky..
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    The costs associated with orientation start before the staff member does - factor in decisions about staffing requirements, advertising, labour costs of screening applications and setting up interviews, generation of files (for CVs and other data), the time to prepare for and conduct interviews, post-interview evaluation of candidates, checking references other legalities (eg registration status, criminal check), notification of successful and unsuccessful applicants, generating and mailing out pro forma paperwork, HR resources, pay roll, parking etc and you're looking at a chunk of time and money before the staff set foot in the hospital. And those are just the items off the top of my head. It's amazing to me that these costs aren't weighed more heavily when hospitals decide to focus on recruitment over retention.
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    Sure, but training is required for every skilled or task oriented job out there.

    Nursing jobs are not exclusive or special in any way. This industry just somehow gets away with this myth of undue hardship as if it were to say, "Oh! Do you know the suffering the Corporation has taken on your employ as a new nurse? You need to forever be grateful for the opportunity afforded you, as otherwise you'd be on the streets" - attitude. Reminds me of Oliver Twist.

    As a second career nurse, I don't fall for all the dust-up. I find it hilarious. Why on earth do so many fall for this line? I'll never know. I guess it could be that healthcare is a "closed" environment, if you have no awareness of the outside, you are satisfied with whatever you are fed.
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    I think that, interesting though this discussion is, we're moving beyond the scope of the thread - perhaps a new thread debating and discussing this aspect?


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