"Fired for NO Reason" - page 52

by Ruby Vee

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we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if only because i can clearly see... Read More


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    Oh samadams I thought advancing my education would help me to rise above the pettiness and maybe make things better. Wow was I wrong. Thousands in debt and two degrees later I discover that it is actually worse the higher you go!!! More people trying to get your job, kick you to the curb, find fault, backstabbing middle and upper management that takes credit for everything you do, and people without degrees who resent you for having them.

    Now I have 30 years of student loans that will never go away. I enjoyed the education but I cannot say it was worth it. I was happier as a lowly staff nurse where I was able to shine by being a "good nurse". Beware. There is a lot of conflict with a higher education and teaching is even worse. It is nearly impossible to get tenure and nursing instructors often float from job to job with little to show for it. I tried that route too. Find your niche area and focus on what you want to do with your worktime. What brings you joy? What can you tolerate? Advance your education for the joy of doing so, but don't count on it making your life better.
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    Quote from samadams8
    i don't want idiots working in critical care either. point is, there are tons of cut-throat b!tches that are insecure and just plain miserable in themselves and their own lives. they like to feel all-powerful and in control and dominant, so they put their bull above supporting nurses that simply need some understanding and guidance--and they will especially eat those that are confident, bright, strong-minded and caring. if they're attractive, that can be another downside--except if the attractive newbie knows how to kiss azz really well and is unparalleled in playing games--then they tend to excel to the top. it's nauseating what happens. everywhere you go, people that work with nurses in many areas come back and say "what are these nurses such cut-throat b!tches?" when you hear it and see it enough times, you know that there is truth in it. and i've been around it a long time, so i know that i know what i'm talking about. i'm just one of many good nurses that have decided that getting through advanced education is my only way out of swimming in cut-throat land. yes, there is cut-throat mentalities elsewhere, however, i want my power of choice to limit it--it seems that only too often nurses are swimming in this viciousness. and if they aren't open about it, they simply get great at playing cut-throat games behind the scenes. it still goes on and on. as long as it looks ok on the service, management thinks all is well. i'd rather have a handful of honest people than tons of backstabbing, cut-throat, sneaky, insecure nurses working around me. sadly, most of the managers are just as bad--they, afterall, set the tone--they just teach that it should be done with the appearance that all is well. hell could be breaking out behind the scenes. as long as it all looks like no over conflict, they are happy. it's such utter bs.
    i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.
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    Quote from ruby vee
    i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.

    well said....maybe they are there....i guess i am old enough not to care!:d i think that may be the difference between being younger, rather than older upon entering nursing. i have been around and i am not willing to put up with crap from anyone! most young people don't have those chops yet...

    maisy
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    Quote from ruby vee
    i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.
    sometimes i wonder if i am from a different planet reading these things. my managers ranged from very good to at worst, clueless. when i signed up for the now-defunct suny rn bridge program, they altered the schedule when i had to take an exam during the day. i'm also somewhat suspect of the "they hate you if you're attractive" thing. i was one of those attractive 20 yr. olds at a hospital teeming with interns and residents. it wasn't the"pretty" nurses that people resented. it was the transparently vain, self-centered and flirtatious nurses that made everyone want to throw up on their shoes. they mistook people being annoyed by their cheesy behavior as annoyance with their awesome beau-tay. . .
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    Quote from eriksoln
    LOL@earle58


    But on a more serious note, the last paragraph was not directed at the OP. I'm talking about preceptors in general there. I did point out that she used terms that made me question if she were using the right approach or not, but left it up to her to decide.
    It was very obvious.

    And about your post: well said.
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    Quote from Valerie Salva
    I work with a young tech right now, and our employer is paying her way through nursing school. This girl is not going to be a good nurse, and I hope I never have to work with her if she does become a nurse.

    When I first started, she and others told me stories of how hard the unit mgr was on her, and I felt bad for her. I went out of my way to be nice.
    Although the mgr has been very inappropriate w/ her anger at this girl, I now understand it.

    She is just plain lazy. She has to be told over and over again to do her duties. Then, each new day, it is somehow all gone from her head, and she has to be told again.
    She was taking extra long breaks. I now require her to come tell me before she goes to break so I can moniter the time.
    Employees have to punch out if they leave the building at break, and she has to be told this each time. If I tell her today, she will leave without punching out tomorrow.
    She is like a two year old who has to be told over and over again each day what to do and what not to do.
    She can often be found texting or IMing on the net when her co-workers are hard at work.
    However, when asked to do anything extra she will whine like a little kid "It's not fair!"
    Dealing with this girl is wearing me down- she's worse than having an extra pt.

    Finally, I had to talk to the hated boss about her. I didn't want to do it. I really resent having to be put in the position to do so- I don't like the boss either, and I try to avoid her when I can.

    I know that now that I've spoken to the dreaded boss about her, this girl will see me as the bad guy- it will be all my fault.
    She totally will not get it that she has any responsibility for anything.

    If this girl would just be an adult, it would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.

    I agree. But there are all kinds of different nurses out there, nurses that just made it through school and might have gotten lucky on passing and nurses that really studied so they can know what is really going on with their patient. Also, nurses who love being nurses and nurses who just want to get paid.
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    Right person in the right job....a hospice nurse may not be suited for the ER and visa versa.....we all have our niches.....


    Bad workers are just that.....
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    After reading most of these posts it is obvious that there are different perspectives. I find it interesting that compassion is a 'requirement' for being a good nurse, but I have trouble finding it in some of these posts. No doubt there is an educational, learning and attitude deficit, but on which end? Practicing mindfulness, compassion and willingness is sometimes difficult. It is sometimes difficult to remember nursing is a team effort. Communication is essential to good care. Is this an example that nurses eat their young?
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    Quote from dlatimer
    After reading most of these posts it is obvious that there are different perspectives. I find it interesting that compassion is a 'requirement' for being a good nurse, but I have trouble finding it in some of these posts. No doubt there is an educational, learning and attitude deficit, but on which end? Practicing mindfulness, compassion and willingness is sometimes difficult. It is sometimes difficult to remember nursing is a team effort. Communication is essential to good care. Is this an example that nurses eat their young?
    Where to start?

    I have compassion, but don't believe that means I need to allow someone who is willfully oblivious and determined not to improve to persist in a position they have consistently demonstrated, over a period of months, they are unfit for. This is particularly the case when doing so utilises scarce resources that could instead be spent of a other staff members with aptitude and an interest in developing and improving their skills and practice. At least as importantly, I also have compassion for, and a duty toward, my patients - ensuring the nurses involved in their care are competent, professional and recognise their limitations is an essential part of my role as a leader on my ward.

    As has been described repeatedly in posts on this thread, particularly from the OP, in the cases being discussed here the educational, learning and attitude defecits fall squarely with the new nurses who, despite multiple approaches made by a number of staff in a variety of ways, persist in sub-optimal behaviour. In Ruby's OP the nurse in question refused to undertake any additional learning to understand the rationales underlying her care. To use one of Ruby's examples, if you don't understand that there's a connection between taking the INR and administering (or withholding, or having reviewed) the Coumadin then you're not only not doing your job, you're actively endangering the life of a patient entrusted to you.

    Communication is essential, and nursing is a team exercise, but the communication and the team work have to go both ways. If this isn't the case then there's a problem. Sometimes the problem is with the rest of the team (ie the established staff). Ruby's point in starting this thread is that sometimes the problem is with the newer staff member, who is unable to see past her (or his) unfounded feelings of unfair, unjustified persecution to take responsibility for their contribution.

    "Is this an example that nurses eat their young?" No. This is an example that some young nurses aren't suited to nursing unless they learn from their experiences.
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    Quote from talaxandra
    "Is this an example that nurses eat their young?" No. This is an example that some young nurses aren't suited to nursing unless they learn from their experiences.
    Worth repeating.

    Not everyone can be President ... an astronaut ... a ballerina ... a star athelete ... etc. when they grow up. Part of the process of finding OUR niche in the world is learning to accept the fact that we are not well-suited for some other things.
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