Chronic Tardiness - page 7

We waiting for a nurse to float from another floor this morning because we had two call ins. She was 25 minutes late. We bowed down at her feet "oh thank goodness you're here". She's 'sorry I'm... Read More

  1. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Originally posted by glassam
    My relief in the mornings is always late by about 15 minutes at least. One more reprimand and she's fired.

    Is she being reprimanded for excessive sick days or tardiness? Or both? What does she have to do to be reprimanded? I ask because, in my opinion, one more sick or tardy day and she should be terminated (I mean, her employment should be terminated). I admit that this may sound harsh, but I have little tolerance for excessive tardiness/absenteeism, especially in cases like LPN2Be2004's example, because it puts SO MUCH STRESS on the rest of the staff.
    She's got one more chance left with the tardiness.

    Or had actually, she was 20 minutes late this morning with no phone call, as usual.
  2. by   night owl
    Sorry to resurrect this thread, but do you all have time clocks to punch? We don't. Tardiness is rude and disrespectful, and shows an arrogant attitude that says, "As long as I can get away with it and get paid at the same time, I'll keep doing it because: #1. NO ONE does anything about it. #2. They don't have the ballz to do anything to me about it and #3. No one gives a darn about it."

    We have the chronic late staff members also, but on my unit on the dayshift, we have the 30 minute late comers. When they come to the unit they just check themselves in on the time schedule and they get paid for not even being there. Then they walk into report with a breakfast sandwhich and a cup of coffee in their hands and proceed to have their breakfast. If that is not an arrogant attitude, I don't know what is. The old time head nurses would have never put up with this garbage. Nothing is ever done as usual and after a two week pay period, these people get paid for roughly 5 hours of not even being there! By letting this happen the facility is just wasting money day in and day out.

    Did I mention they rarely ever call to say they'll be late? No, because it happens so often it's almost a given AND the fact that if they call and make someone aware that they will be late, then that will put them at risk of getting their time docked. So it continues and continues AND continues until someone wakes up and does something.

    Two people were placed on the day shift from nights because they came to work 20-30 min late all the time. Guess what they're doing now? Now, no one notices they're late because everyone is in report. They don't call, they come in and check themselves in on the schedule and they GET PAID for not even being there. At least on nights they were monitored and docked for being late. If other shifts can follow the rules, why on earth can't the day shift? It's down right not fair to all others who come to work on time and are ready to go. So I ask you, is this crazy? And why would a facility let this happen? Is it mismanagement? Preferential treatment perhaps? People are getting quite tired of the bull. If they can't make it to work on time, then darn it they should be docked JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! :angryfire
  3. by   Mommy2Katiebaby
    At one place where I worked, the team decided to tape report and then leave any patients whose nurse hadn't shown up in the care of the assistant head nurse during that time. You can bet they came down on latecomers pretty hard after that idea... but the hospital did NOT want to pay us overtime (which we all demanded) and so the higher-ups got the unit admins to agree to it. It worked, we left on time, and it was speedy...
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    There is no excuse for chronic tardiness. None. It's out and out disrespect for others and should not be tolerated.
  5. by   Quickbeam
    What bugs me about this issue from the point of view of a former manager is that it is the easiest one in the world to document and get someone fired. I've had to fire a lot of people over the years; the terminations for tardiness were the ones that the grievance committee rolled their eyes and rubber stamped.

    I was on the other side of this as a night charge and for 4 years my relief was 20-30 minutes late every morning. The organization preferred paying me overtime to confronting the problem. I think that is wrong.
  6. by   flashpoint
    I said it in this thread once already, but there is NO EXCUSE for being late every time you work. If you are old enough to have a job, you are old enough to be on time. It should not be that hard to figure out that if you are ten minutes late every single day, you need to do something different...you need to leave earlier or take a different route or get a friend to take your kids to school or something. Being late is disruptive to everyone who is trying to take report, is is disrespectful to nurses who have worked their shift and want to go home, and it is dangerous to the patients who you are going to be caring for (even if you are not assigned to them) if you did not hear report on them or report was interrupted by you walking in! Being late all the time is just plain irresponsible and rude and there is NO EXCUSE!
  7. by   LIFESAVERLINDA
    I was fired for chronic tardiness just 4 days ago from a job i truly loved,i worked as an er nurse in one of nations busiest er,i hardly ever called in unless i was very sick.my problem is we are supposed to clock in at 6:51pm after that you are considered late. not everyday but alot of the time i would clock in by 6:53 or 6:52 never later than 6:55pm, we are not out of shift report until 7pm-7:10pm,so never was a nurse waiting on me to be relieved. we get out of report and then go meet up with whoever we are taking over for, and then have have another report off going is supposed to clock out by 7:15pm. in addition there are many other nurses who have just as many if not more than me and are not being fired. i truly believe that one of the nurse managers didnt like me and had it in for me. of course i cant prove it. but strangley enough the day before she was made interim unit manager. i feel like damn was that her first order of business to get me out? i want to appeal it,but they are just gonna say she was warned yada yada. realistically yes i was tardy but not so tardy that it affected my job. and why are they holding me to a higher standard and not everybody else...any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
  8. by   mercyteapot
    We've got a lady where I work who claims that it is part of her culture not to respect timelines. Seriously, she claims that people where she is from are always late. Well, big whoop. You're here now, sister, and you're holding me up. Plus, we have a number of other people in our agency that are of the same ethnicity and they manage to be where they're supposed to, when they're supposed to be there.
  9. by   traumaRUs
    This is an old thread (2003) but I still feel if you are late, you don't need to work with me! Even one or two minutes late is disrespectful and I take it as my time is less valuable than the tardy ones.
  10. by   Daytonite
    Quote from lifesaverlinda
    i was fired for chronic tardiness just 4 days ago from a job i truly loved. . .i truly believe that one of the nurse managers didnt like me and had it in for me. of course i cant prove it. but strangley enough the day before she was made interim unit manager. i feel like damn was that her first order of business to get me out? i want to appeal it,but they are just gonna say she was warned yada yada. realistically yes i was tardy but not so tardy that it affected my job. and why are they holding me to a higher standard and not everybody else...any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    consider this. it's possible that your interim unit manager was put in place because the previous manager wasn't doing what she was supposed to do. she's probably following direction from her new boss. maybe her don is like the one i worked for (see next paragraph).

    when i was a nurse manager at a 200 bed acute hospital our don was very strict with us managers about keeping track of anyone who was tardy or absent. so, every two weeks when we prepared our unit's time cards before sending them to payroll we were to check for late clock-ins just like yours. there was some elaborate rule in place that you could have so many tardys in a one year period, etc. just to make sure we were doing this, she had one of her nursing coordinators do spot checks of the time cards to make sure we were keeping track of this stuff. i felt bad for employees like you who clocked in one or two minutes past the grace time. i had no choice, but to follow the policy of the hospital or the don would be breathing down my neck. there was a verbal warning, then two written warnings and, finally, a warning of termination and if they were tardy after that, they were terminated. she did this because she was a stickler about everyone having to follow the rules, no exceptions. i'm sure you've heard complaints where people wonder how come they got reprimanded for doing something that is against the rules while everyone else was getting away with it. not in this dons hospital!

    set your clocks ahead to buy you some time. my mother always kept the clocks in our house set five minutes ahead. of course, once you get used to that you look at the clock, it says 5 o'clock, but you know it's really only 4:55!

    if you know your clock in is going to be late, don't clock in and have a manager sign it after you've lied to her and told her you forgot to clock in. after you do this more than once or twice in a pay period it gets real suspicious though.

    i, personally, always made it a point to be at my job 15 minutes before clock in time. if i had been you i would have put in my mind that i needed to be at work at 6:30.

    i'm sorry you lost your job over this.
  11. by   JentheRN05
    While in nursing school - if you were late for a clinical, you were sent home for the day. You miss two clinicals and you get a clinical fail. Instill these values during their education and they will stick. They did in my case. I was only late 1 time during my entire education of 3 years. You guessed it, I was sent home.
  12. by   night owl
    Quote from night owl
    We have the chronic late staff members also, but on my unit on the dayshift, we have the 30 minute late comers. When they come to the unit they just check themselves in on the time schedule and they get paid for not even being there. Then they walk into report with a breakfast sandwhich and a cup of coffee in their hands and proceed to have their breakfast. If that is not an arrogant attitude, I don't know what is. The old time head nurses would have never put up with this garbage. Nothing is ever done as usual and after a two week pay period, these people get paid for roughly 5 hours of not even being there! By letting this happen the facility is just wasting money day in and day out.

    I'm replying to my own post. I posted this in March and has anything changed? Nope, still coming in 30 min late and checking himself in as if he came in on time time. I would love to have the money he was paid for not being here from March up until today! Now he's getting more bold. On the weekends he's at least an hour late every Saturday he has to work and if we have three nurses due in and two are LPN's, an Rn has to stay until he arrives. The night RN gets OT just waiting for him. After the night RN leaves, he checks himself in as being on time. Other nurses have pointed this out to the night supervisor a few times and she/he has docked him for the hour he was late.The thing is, it's still ALLOWED to continue. No verbal counselings, no written counselings, no anything. So it's not his fault he's always late, it's managements fault for allowing him to be chronically late, every single day. I find this absolutely unbelievable that no one has the spine to reprimand him and he's not even one of better nurses. It's the better nurses who always seem to be reprimanded for piddly things. I can only come to one conclusion and that is at this point, I suppose I will never understand it. :selfbonk: So LifesaverLinda, Here's a solution to your problem...come work at my facility. They don't give a darn if you're late.
  13. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from LIFESAVERLINDA
    I was fired for chronic tardiness just 4 days ago from a job i truly loved,i worked as an er nurse in one of nations busiest er,i hardly ever called in unless i was very sick.my problem is we are supposed to clock in at 6:51pm after that you are considered late. not everyday but alot of the time i would clock in by 6:53 or 6:52 never later than 6:55pm, we are not out of shift report until 7pm-7:10pm,so never was a nurse waiting on me to be relieved. we get out of report and then go meet up with whoever we are taking over for, and then have have another report off going is supposed to clock out by 7:15pm. in addition there are many other nurses who have just as many if not more than me and are not being fired. i truly believe that one of the nurse managers didnt like me and had it in for me. of course i cant prove it. but strangley enough the day before she was made interim unit manager. i feel like damn was that her first order of business to get me out? i want to appeal it,but they are just gonna say she was warned yada yada. realistically yes i was tardy but not so tardy that it affected my job. and why are they holding me to a higher standard and not everybody else...any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    If you truly loved the job, why were you repeatedly tardy?

    If shift starts at 1845, you should be on the floor, clocked in, changed out, with your assignment and ready to go with pen in hand at 1845. If they are kind enough to give you leeway for it to be set by 1851, you definitely have no excuse to be late.

    And whether you know it or not, people are inconvenienced when you show up late. If I and my fellow nurses am ready to hear taped report at 1845, and we get held up on a daily basis by one person dashing in only 6-10 minutes late regularly, it gets annoying and is a waste of our time. Thus, it is very disrespectfully and wasteful of others' time.

    It doesn't matter how many other people do it, you got warned and fired for it.

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