Chronic Tardiness - page 6

We waiting for a nurse to float from another floor this morning because we had two call ins. She was 25 minutes late. We bowed down at her feet "oh thank goodness you're here". She's 'sorry I'm... Read More

  1. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The nursing home i used to work at had an incentive program that if you clock in ON TIME, NEVER CLOCK OUT EARLY, and ALWAYS USE YOUR BADGE TO CLOCK IN, you get a dollar more on the hour bonus. Um, giving a raise for something people should have been doing all along, now THERE'S a sign of a problem!
  2. by   glassam
    Honestly! I am a nurse manager and I think your managers need to suck it up! I have NEVER had to let someone go because of tardiness. Typically, a formal verbal reprimand does the trick, but with one nurse I had to go as far as a one-day suspension. I can talk until I'm blue in the face, but once I initiate the formal disciplinary process, they know I mean business! Although I have never had to fire someone because of tardiness, rest assured that I would, if that is where they lead me.
  3. by   Imagine
    Thanks, glassam. I've been astounded at the lack of nursing leadership reflected in these posts. Where are these managers? Years ago, as a manager, I dealt with these issues. The time clock told me all that I needed to know and, you're right, once formal processes were initiated people saw the light. That kind of behavior has to be one of the biggest contributors to dissention between shifts. And a relatively easy one to deal with
  4. by   redshiloh
    I agree with glassam! However, why is the staff putting up with it? Why are they not writing these people up. Peer-pressure is a powerful thing!
  5. by   Marty1
    I too am somewhat of an early bird so to speak and it makes me very angry when staff comes walking in 15 minutes late as if its not any big deal. I think its rude to the rest of us and they disrupt report and usually we have to begin again , which I don't think we should, to me being on time is as important as any other aspect of nursing .
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Still like the report-to-the-chair-whether-you're-sitting-in-it-or-not idea though. :roll
  7. by   Gardengal
    Like glassam, as a manager I deal with tardiness when it is an issue. I did terminate a nurse because of chronic tardiness, and it was upheld in grievance and when she fought it through unemployment. She was chronically late, and did not respond to questions regarding reasons, and efforts to assist her if needed. She would say, I just can't seem to get here on time....There was a 7 minute window to start times, so tardy didn't even count until after that time.

    I honestly didn't note her tardiness until If felt the rumbles in the unit and followed up. I learned at that point that instead of just accepting the total of 8 hours or 12 hours noted on the time sheet I needed to actually look at every minute. This nurse improved for about 1-2 weeks after I spoke with her then reverted right back to her disrespectful late ways.

    After almost a year of talking, counselling, trying to rearrange shifts, verbal warnings, written discipline, final written, suspension.. I had no choice but to go to termination. The funny thing about it was that she too was a really good nurse when she was there, but her late behavior caused a poor working environment and anger within her peer group. Her peers were not exactly happy to see her gone, because we all liked her, but everyone was relieved when we all respected each other's time.

    She would always say," but I have to get my children to school. " My response was typically that I understood that, but since several others in her area, in the same school district with the same time constraints could do it then I didn't see why she was any different. As we went further through our process I actually would tell ehr about other job opportunities which started 1/2 hour later...she'd say but I need to get home earlier than that, I can't get home late. I tried offering her 4 hour shifts, that wasn't aceptable either because she needed less work days. When we finally got to the end of the discipline trail she knew what was coming, but still thought that her priorities took precedence over her peers and those of the organization.

    After this learning experience I look at every minute on time sheets. When I begin to notice the beginnings of a problem I bring it up. My staff know that I do this and accept this. They also know that I will never tell them if I am disciplining someone, and would never tell anyonethat they are being disciplined. So...if I have someone who appears to be having an issue of any sort and they are angry about it they know that I am dealing with it, but they will never know the details.
  8. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by glascow
    CONFESSIONS OF A CHRONIC LATE PERSON: I am embarrassed to say I am chronically late. I have been all of my life. In fact, last night I was 15 minutes late for my shift. I felt horrible and embarrassed. I know, you're saying, if you wanted to be on time you could. I swear I try. I have set all the clocks early in the house. I wake up an hour earlier than normal...bad idea, then I'm usually even later. Why? I get so distracted and think, I have time to do the dishes, wash a load of laundry, check e-mail, whatever, next thing I know, I am late for where ever it is I am supposed to be. I have read info on chronic tardiness; says person is rude, inconsiderate, ... I don't want to be. I know I'll get flack for this post, excuses, excuses..... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!! I will never be late for work again. It's like the New Year's resolution I make every year, exercise regularly, eat healthy.. just doesn't last. When I walk in the nurse waiting to give report always says, "it's OK, do you need to go get some coffee?" Standard response from me: "No, it's not OK, I hate bieng late".
    Please, nurses who work with chronic late people, give them grief when they are late, put pressure on us to be on time.
    Ironically, if I accidently sleep late, and wake up with only 15 minutes to get ready, I usually end up early! Am I crazy or what?
    I am not trying to be mean with this response. IMHO You are getting some kind of pay off for your actions. Only you can determine what that pay off is.
    You say you try. Don't try. Either do it or don't. (Again IMHO)Trying implys helpless victim. (but then maybe that is your payoff)
  9. by   SteelTownRN
    As a nursing instructor, I have listened to students who tell me about the nurses who they witness coming in late for report. The students then realize why I am such a stickler for their on time arrival, because they see how tardiness disrupts the flow of the work on the floor. Most students comment that they don't want to cause or be a part of anything that disruptive and they don't want the "late/tardy" reputation.

    So, when you arrive late on the unit, please be aware of those who are watching. It's not just you coworkers, but the future of the profession, who are watching you and seeing the negative impact of lateness on the unit functioning.
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    My relief in the mornings is always late by about 15 minutes at least. One more reprimand and she's fired. She works a variety of shifts sometimes but her excuse for ALWAYS being late is her kids. I mean it is ALWAYS because of her kids. Her boyfriend is the one that takes care of them during the day, and her mom lives right next door to them and babysits. She is 5 miles away from the hospital, but it still late despite all of this. There are plenty of people that managed to get there on time despite dropping the kids off at the sitters and going to the gym in the mornings.

    She's had a habit of calling off for her 5am shifts 30 MINUTES BEFORE SHE'S TO BE THERE and saying "oh my kid(s) are sick)".
    The nurse manager noticed a pattern that her kids are sick on the days that she is supposed to be there at 5am.

    I started the LPN program with her in August of 2002. She was late by 20-30 mintes everyday without fail before dropping out in December.

    Two months ago this woman's daughter really did get sick, enough to be in the hospital, but you guessed it, no one believed her, since she's been calling off 5 and 6 times a month for sick kids. And was angry that no one believed her!

    Bad as it sounds for me to say i cannot wait for her to leave, then maybe i'll get relief in the morning that is actually on time!
  11. by   Tilleycs
    Bad as it sounds for me to say i cannot wait for her to leave, then maybe i'll get relief in the morning that is actually on time!
    I don't think it's bad at all. Since when is it bad to actually EXPECT people to do the jobs they get paid to do, and be responsible and thoughtful about how their actions affect other people? I have no sympathy, they have dug their own graves. I don't want anyone's kids to be sick, but there IS a great lesson in "The boy who cried 'Wolf!'". Maybe she'll learn it now. For the sake of her future co-workers, I hope so.

    I don't think it's too much to ask that people be professional and responsible. You have a life, too, ya know!
  12. by   glassam
    My relief in the mornings is always late by about 15 minutes at least. One more reprimand and she's fired.

    Is she being reprimanded for excessive sick days or tardiness? Or both? What does she have to do to be reprimanded? I ask because, in my opinion, one more sick or tardy day and she should be terminated (I mean, her employment should be terminated). I admit that this may sound harsh, but I have little tolerance for excessive tardiness/absenteeism, especially in cases like LPN2Be2004's example, because it puts SO MUCH STRESS on the rest of the staff.
  13. by   Agnus
    Originally posted by glassam
    [B], one more sick or tardy day and she should be terminated (I mean, her employment should be terminated). .
    excuse my giggle at the play on words.:chuckle

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