"Fired for NO Reason" - page 55

we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if... Read More

  1. Visit  willowlove profile page
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    Even if the new grad was wrong she is A NEW GRAD. Not all nursing education is the same. Some people are fortunate to have great clinical instructors and some of us have to teach ourselves, which is really really difficult. You seem to think she should be teaching herself. If she didn't learn much in nursing school, TEACH HER. Obviously, blaming her preceptors is not going to help her, but surely you can understand what a horrible nightmare she is living now, being fired during her training trying to get a job with no recommendations. She's just venting that her work environment was hostile and cold and judgmental and from reading your post, Ruby Vee, it probably was. Precepting is teaching and with teaching there is a golden rule- positive reinforcement is the MOST effective. Just because one is a seasoned RN does not mean he or she is a good teacher or a good co-worker.
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  3. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    Quote from willowlove
    even if the new grad was wrong she is a new grad. not all nursing education is the same. some people are fortunate to have great clinical instructors and some of us have to teach ourselves, which is really really difficult. you seem to think she should be teaching herself. if she didn't learn much in nursing school, teach her. obviously, blaming her preceptors is not going to help her, but surely you can understand what a horrible nightmare she is living now, being fired during her training trying to get a job with no recommendations. she's just venting that her work environment was hostile and cold and judgmental and from reading your post, ruby vee, it probably was. precepting is teaching and with teaching there is a golden rule- positive reinforcement is the most effective. just because one is a seasoned rn does not mean he or she is a good teacher or a good co-worker.
    i'm curious -- just how many "second chances" should anyone have, new grad or no? is three enough? four? six or seven? this gal had multiple "second chances," and when she complained about her preceptors, she got different preceptors. so how many new preceptors have to note the same problems before the problems are legitimate? three? four? six or seven? no matter how hard a preceptor tries to teach a new grad, the new grad has to be responsible for some learning. a new grad who cannot or will not learn despite multiple new preceptors and multiple second chances isn't going to keep her job, no matter how much we like her or want her to.

    so is it always, in your considered opinion, the fault of the preceptor when a new grad doesn't learn? or is some of the responsibility owned by the new grad? at what point is it acceptable to you to cut loose a new grad who just isn't cutting it and give the job to someone who may? or do we just keep employees who aren't working out indefinitely?
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  4. Visit  Pepper The Cat profile page
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    I agree with Ruby. How many chances should a person be given? At what point do you have to say enough - this person is not learning and is a danger. Do you wait until she actually harms someone. Would you want her taking care of your loved one?
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  5. Visit  VioletKaliLPN profile page
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    in nursing school i was taught that we are responsible for our education and learning, so as adult learners we have to take the lead.

    yes, nursing school is a lot of self teaching, but that is commonplace.
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  6. Visit  mofomeat profile page
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    I only read the first page of this thread, sorry.

    I'm in school right now, and fwiw, there are SO MANY students there that I believe will turn out just like the NG the OP talked about. I see a lot of "I'm so brilliant and awesome and everyone hates me for it" attitude already. They have real problems (such as not showing up for lecture, not doing the homework, not studying, failing tests and turning in college papers that might as well be written by a seven year old), but it just never 'clicks' with them why they're having a hard time in a class while the person next to them is in the top 10%. Hopefully, the actual nursing program will shake some of these out, or maybe it will wake them up and they will work it out and be great.

    Meanwhile, I'm often concerned about how I am doing, and whether or not I'm screwing up, or missing something, or fostering a bad attitude about something that will bite me in the ayse later, but I don't realize it because my teachers love me and my grades are good. :P

    I could be 10 times worse than they are and not realize it!
  7. Visit  FlyingScot profile page
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    Quote from mofomeat
    I only read the first page of this thread, sorry.

    I'm in school right now, and fwiw, there are SO MANY students there that I believe will turn out just like the NG the OP talked about. I see a lot of "I'm so brilliant and awesome and everyone hates me for it" attitude already. They have real problems (such as not showing up for lecture, not doing the homework, not studying, failing tests and turning in college papers that might as well be written by a seven year old), but it just never 'clicks' with them why they're having a hard time in a class while the person next to them is in the top 10%. Hopefully, the actual nursing program will shake some of these out, or maybe it will wake them up and they will work it out and be great.

    Meanwhile, I'm often concerned about how I am doing, and whether or not I'm screwing up, or missing something, or fostering a bad attitude about something that will bite me in the ayse later, but I don't realize it because my teachers love me and my grades are good. :P

    I could be 10 times worse than they are and not realize it!

    If you are actually worrying about this you probably aren't.
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  8. Visit  mofomeat profile page
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    Quote from FlyingScot
    If you are actually worrying about this you probably aren't.
    Golly gosh I hope not.

    I don't know if you've noticed, but I've seen a LOT of threads here where very well meaning new nurses that are trying really hard to be good and successful still make a mistake that could get them fired or end their career. In my working life (which spans about 20 years already and is outside of the medical field) I've made some mistakes that have damaged equipment, cost money or angered someone. But in a hospital, mistakes can kill people.

    In a local hospital, a nurse was recently in the papers for exposing almost 500 patients to HIV and hepatitis over a couple of years due to improper use/sanitation of a piece of equipment. Did she know better, should she have known better, did anyone else notice she was doing it wrong?

    I don't know. But this is the sort of thing that makes me have that 2nd glass of wine before bed some nights.
  9. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from mofomeat
    I only read the first page of this thread, sorry.

    I'm in school right now, and fwiw, there are SO MANY students there that I believe will turn out just like the NG the OP talked about. I see a lot of "I'm so brilliant and awesome and everyone hates me for it" attitude already. They have real problems (such as not showing up for lecture, not doing the homework, not studying, failing tests and turning in college papers that might as well be written by a seven year old), but it just never 'clicks' with them why they're having a hard time in a class while the person next to them is in the top 10%. Hopefully, the actual nursing program will shake some of these out, or maybe it will wake them up and they will work it out and be great.

    Meanwhile, I'm often concerned about how I am doing, and whether or not I'm screwing up, or missing something, or fostering a bad attitude about something that will bite me in the ayse later, but I don't realize it because my teachers love me and my grades are good. :P

    I could be 10 times worse than they are and not realize it!
    They probably love you because you're concerned about screwing up, or missing something etc and the good grades are a sign you are listening to what they are saying. Teachers like to succeed, too!

    Even on this board it's hard not to notice the similarities in approach used by students who get supportive responses, and those who don't (the ones who wonder why we're so mean) . . .
    As far as the what we can learn from the "I was fired for . . .(insert minor mistake)" stories just remember we're only hearing one side. That being said -- I have to agree there seems to be a trend developing of dealing harshly with errors rather than using them as teaching/learning opportunities. Every incident is unique, just like every person, so don't worry too much about that now.
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