would you cross a picket line???? - page 10

Yesterday one of my nursing coworkers told me about some strike in OHIO and that she was going to take a travel assignment to that area..... I am totally happy where I am, but I was kinda wondering... Read More

  1. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    JT posted

    Youre correct in one thing - you have the right to do whatever you want. In every state in this country, except Vermont, you even have the right to drive right past an accident victim on the highway & not offer any assistance. You can drive right on by - looking out only for yourself, & let the victim bleed to death - its legal but that doesnt make it right. And I doubt anyone would respect you for it either.
    Good point JT. Laws govern some measure of morality, but there are instances when laws protect your right to be immoral.
  2. by   teeituptom
    howdy Yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    Well howdy again -jt, my thats some interesting and utterly boring rhetoric you are continuing to reiterate. Who writes this stuu for you. You need to send him to George W Bush. His rhetoric could add some spicing up. You stated " I wont wait for a response-I noticed you havent answeres any of my questions thus far" I answer anything that is asked. And when asked if I will cross picket lines, the answer is yes. Thats the only question you have asked. The rest is long winded flatus, High octane methane.
    And now you try to throw in excerpts regarding the good samaritan laws. Or is that an attempt to spice up your rhetoric.
    Life is simple. Some people go on strike. And some people cross the picket lines. Neither of these actions are new. But somehow you seem to feel that rhetoric and mob politics are going to affect changes. Maybe we ought to lynch a few of those CEOs and scabs while were at it. Sorry your way hasnt proven particulalry effective in the past and I dont think your way is the answer now.
    what you dont seem to see is that the whole situation is all of us, CEOs included. It will take all of us working together to facilitate change. But when you divide people up into differing opponent camps, you are sure to fail.
    There is one reason good enough for strike busting, and that is..... It is what is right for me and my family in accordance with our beliefs and values. That is all the reason needed.
    Remember this is a free country. The right of freedom of choice. The pursuit of happiness.
    You and PEEPS talk about the immorality of my choices. Who has elected you as judge, jury and executioner. Who has decided that only your views on morality are the ones that count.
    One of the greatest men of the last century once said. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" of course he went on later to blow things and called himself a jelly filled donut. But nobody is perfect.
  3. by   teeituptom
    Howdy Yall
    From deep in the heart of texas

    Well its yalls turn now PEEPS. Are you still smokin that stuff?????? You keep harping on cognitive dissonance. And again you throw in immorality. I simply reply, who are you to set the standards of immorality? Just because my beliefs and life style are a little different from yours I am Immoral. At least I have never tried to compare the naturalness of breasfeeding to the naturalness of masturbation like you have. That one still escapes any definition I can come up with.
    You stated that, "laws protect your right to be immoral" in reference to me, I presume. The last time I looked those laws are called The Bill of Rights.. maybe you should familiarize yourself with the actual meaning of those rights.
  4. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by teeituptom
    .....The rest is long winded flatus, High octane methane...
    :chuckle Okay, I'm sorry, that just really tickled me. This is an excellent debate. Carry on.
  5. by   fergus51
    I don't see how you can call jt's stuff rhetoric and then bring up linchings.... Fight on...
  6. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Priceless by T

    what you dont seem to see is that the whole situation is all of us, CEOs included. It will take all of us working together to facilitate change. But when you divide people up into differing opponent camps, you are sure to fail
    Gee, I'm all choked up.....How will you help make that happen while your working against it?

    You don't want to discuss something like cognitive dissonance, fine I didn't think you would know what it was anyway. I was just trying to get the discussion away from name-calling and focus on something that I'm sure most nurses with your "years" of experience would be aptly equiped to discuss.

    When you make jokes(actually a joke should be funny) about drug use, and make referrence to postings from other threads that are not part of the discussion instead of showing some knowledge of the subject as simple as cognitive dissonance, you're telling everyone what you're really made of.

    You said it yourself many times, all you're concerned with is money and golf.

    You should be able to intelligently discuss such a simple subject with a student and show the expertise you're talkin about.

    Don't tell me there are no people in your ER that are not "motivated to reduce discomfort caused by two inconsistant thoughts", so this would be knowledge that a skilled nurse working in an ER or any other level would be able to just "wipe the floor" with me, and even elaborate it in another context.

    I was actually surprised that you couldn't.
  7. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Well, you know who

    You stated that, "laws protect your right to be immoral" in reference to me, I presume. The last time I looked those laws are called The Bill of Rights.. maybe you should familiarize yourself with the actual meaning of those rights.

    Maybe you should just go right ahead and make a correlation that you may or may not be talking about

    The Good Samaritan Law that JT refered to was written a couple of hundred years after the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is not law, it is an amendment to the Constitution.

    Freaking brilliant.
  8. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I'm becoming less surprised as time goes by.
  9. by   Casey7
    I would have to find out exactly what the strike was about. If it was something I agreed with and/or felt strongly about, then no I could not cross a picket line. But if the people were striking something I did not think was especially important, then I would have no problems crossing. It's all about your morals and what you think is right.
  10. by   Dr. Kate
    Just quickly read through what has been going on here in the last week. Whee doggies! Discussion devolved to ad hominum arguments. Naughty, naughty, you're no longer on the issue, you're into personalities.
    I think it's time to either just go out and have a good rousing fist fight so this discussion can move on, or drop the discussion.
    Now that this discussion is dealing with beliefs and values, it's starting to get ugly. The real meaning of workplace diversity is that we all bring our own beliefs and values to the same table. We don't have to agree on beliefs and values, just work together.
    I'm outta this one.
  11. by   LasVegasRN
    Agree with Dr. Kate.
    ~Wondering who will put this thread back on track~
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Discussing what makes someone cross a picket line and what keeps one from crossing is on topic.
  13. by   2ndCareerRN
    Yes,

    see short and simple.

    My views are mine, my reasons are mine. I feel no need to defend them to anyone!

    bob

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