What in the world does the ANA do? - page 7

an update for those of you not involved & wondering....... In the past two years, the ANA has focused its work on core issues of vital concern to the nation's registered nurses - staffing, health... Read More

  1. by   BillEDRN
    Quote from gcupid
    "It's sort of like complaining about politicians but not voting." I'm sorry, I equated paying dues to voting...

    (and even with my mind-set of believing that paying due=vote, you are still right because not enough "working nurses" are joining and paying dues= voting);

    I guess I'm trying to justify the reason for so many not being active, including myself...You were addressing those that claim ANA (or, any representative organization) didnt "represent them."

    My attempt was to address a possible reason why SO MANY EDUCATED, TALENTED nurses refuse to bother. I have yet to join an organization and try to change the way they operate...I usually take a pamphlet, you know,...observe the atmosphere & workings . Couldn't imagine joining a church, paying tithes & etc. for the mere sake of pushing the pastor/priest to amending doctrine....

    It starts with the leaders.....stay true to the mission statement...establish & maintain integrity....honor high moral character and look out not only for the advanced nurses but for the nurse you use to be and the possible nurse you may see, if you were ever to get sick....

    My point is that more "working nurses" would join if they represented them.

    but I think Im more on the follower side.....

    Dont get me wrong
    I understand exactly what you are saying...it's not going to change until we join....Let's see how it turns out, years from now..
    I would have to disagree with your analogy, both of them. Paying dues, especially union dues in a "closed shop" where you have no choice, in like paying taxes. And again, that is the problem. People all too often (and nurses are a prime example) happy to pay their $20.00 (or whatever amount) a year and then sit back and not participate in the process of running the organization. I saw this time and time again in our nurse's union. As for comparing ANA or some similar organization to a church, well, I just think you are off base on that one. One does not join a church because they want some type of professional or collective representation. And, they usually join a church based on their current beliefs and need for spiritual guidence.

    As for not being willing to change a representive organization, if it's doing a good job and you agree with the direction and administraion of your money, then fine. But folks join organizations like ANA because they want to be associated with the professional organization for a variety of reasons. And, again that's fine, if things are going the way you want. What I was referring to are nurses, members of ANA, complaining that the organization doesn't represent them and then, instead of doing something (either getting involved in changing it or getting out of the organization) about it, just sit around and whine.

    The hope that more working nurses would join if they better represented them is a catch 22 situation: How can those who are not "working nurses" know what the "working nurses" want when there are no "working nurses" around to tell them? The "just sit back and see how things work out" attitude is why nurses are in this position to begin with.
  2. by   gcupid
    This is my last reply...I dont want to go off subject but I want to address this statement

    "As for comparing ANA or some similar organization to a church, well, I just think you are off base on that one. One does not join a church because they want some type of professional or collective representation. And, they usually join a church based on their current beliefs and need for spiritual guidence."

    How can one (BillEDRN) speak for one (Everyone)? While it may not be ideal (according to your opinion) for one to join a church based up on some type of professional or collective representation, that does not mean it has not occured.

    The fact is some churches have and will continue to play a role in community involvement & development. Do you believe that neither any black atheist nor at least one agnostic not join and pay tithes at the Dexter Avenue Baptist church based solely on the premise for feeling more involved in the marches for justice in the civil rights movement? [collective representation argument...out of here, just crumbled up that piece of paper and tossed it in the trash.....on to the next one (professional representation)]

    There are active members of a church and non-active members. There are some members who are professionals. And if it is fact that collective representation has occured for members in a church, professionals are a part of that group as well.

    Some people just give money offerings (=pay dues) and show up only on major holidays. While others participate at almost every function. I dare not omit other variables; however, Im willing to bet some membership is obtained and maintained and INCREASED because viewers like what they see.

    Therefore, if nurses..."working nurses" like what they see.....Maybe membership at ANA will be increased.
  3. by   BillEDRN
    Quote from gcupid
    This is my last reply...I dont want to go off subject but I want to address this statement

    "As for comparing ANA or some similar organization to a church, well, I just think you are off base on that one. One does not join a church because they want some type of professional or collective representation. And, they usually join a church based on their current beliefs and need for spiritual guidence."

    How can one (BillEDRN) speak for one (Everyone)? While it may not be ideal (according to your opinion) for one to join a church based up on some type of professional or collective representation, that does not mean it has not occured.

    The fact is some churches have and will continue to play a role in community involvement & development. Do you believe that neither any black atheist nor at least one agnostic not join and pay tithes at the Dexter Avenue Baptist church based solely on the premise for feeling more involved in the marches for justice in the civil rights movement? [collective representation argument...out of here, just crumbled up that piece of paper and tossed it in the trash.....on to the next one (professional representation)]

    There are active members of a church and non-active members. There are some members who are professionals. And if it is fact that collective representation has occured for members in a church, professionals are a part of that group as well.

    Some people just give money offerings (=pay dues) and show up only on major holidays. While others participate at almost every function. I dare not omit other variables; however, Im willing to bet some membership is obtained and maintained and INCREASED because viewers like what they see.

    Therefore, if nurses..."working nurses" like what they see.....Maybe membership at ANA will be increased.
    Wow. I certainly didn't mean to offend you or any opinions you may have on the reasons folks join churches or religious organizations. That being said, I didn't mean to imply that it (joining a church for some political representation) doesn't ever happen. Certainly it has in the past and will likely do so in the future. If I was in any way unclear on my opinion on the matter let me clarify: Most folks join churces or participate in religious activities based on their spirtual needs not their political or collective, professional needs.

    As for active member of any church versus the non-active ones, my opinion would be similar: if those non-active ones were unhappy about what "their" church was doing, they too would have a choice. Get involved to change things or leave that church and find one that better suits your needs. Sitting back and complaining without getting involved is non-productive and rarely results in any meaningful changes.

    And finally, just to be perfectly clear: I was not attempting to speak for "everyone." I do not believe I made that claim explicitedly or implicitedly. I was, as most here do, merely conveying my opinion based on my experience. You, of course, are free to disagree. You are also free to sit back and see how things work out instead of becoming involved in changing things....

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