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No. 10
from Kojak
Old Sep 06, 2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by K98 View Post
I work in a union facility. I pay 60.00 per month union dues. If I choose to claim "Beck's Objector" status, my dues drop to 55.00 per month. Objector status means that the portion of your dues that is applied to political campaigns is not collected from you. I don't believe for even a moment that my union (SEIU) spends 5.00 of my dues on political action. More like 55.00.
I pay $44 per paycheck/$1144 per year for CNA "representation". With approx. 700 nurses at our hospital, CNA is raking in around $700,000 per year. Ain't no way they're spending that much money on lil ol' us.
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No. 11
from K98
Old Sep 06, 2008, 08:58 PM

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1,400 nurses at our facility are paying close to 60.00 per month each. The SEIU does not pay our union president or officers. Do the math. SEIU is raking in close to a million dollars per year from our facility. We aren't seeing much, if any, returned to us. I receive two "Vote for Obama" calls per day thanks to SEIU. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
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No. 12
from wonderbee
Old Sep 06, 2008, 09:36 PM

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I work in Pennsylvania. Belonging to the union at my facility is a requirement. I pay dues of $25/check and 7% of my gross (SEIU). I've never heard of the Becks Objector status until now. I'm going to look into it. It's nice to know what my options are even if I don't apply them.
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No. 13
from rjflyn
Old Sep 06, 2008, 09:57 PM

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Having had worked at a unionized facility and had a parent that belonged to unions for years reading these posts here it is clear that many don't understand what unions are or their concept. First of all by joining YOU are the union. SO if a a facility has 500 nurses and 450 join that is the union. Its not some mysterious entity from afar its the nurses themselves, not some outside source, unless they hire someone to assist in that capacity. Most do as we are nurses not contract negotiators. If you don't like the union, your the ones that guide it, your the ones that can change it.

Rj

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No. 14
from Kojak
Old Sep 06, 2008, 11:49 PM

Default Re: What if I want to quit the union?
Originally Posted by rjflyn View Post
Having had worked at a unionized facility and had a parent that belonged to unions for years reading these posts here it is clear that many don't understand what unions are or their concept. First of all by joining YOU are the union. SO if a a facility has 500 nurses and 450 join that is the union. Its not some mysterious entity from afar its the nurses themselves, not some outside source, unless they hire someone to assist in that capacity. Most do as we are nurses not contract negotiators. If you don't like the union, your the ones that guide it, your the ones that can change it.

Rj

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I currently work in a unionized facility and I FULLY understand the significance of the union in my workplace. I could write a book about "my" union, but I'll just make two points. One - I did not join a union. "My" union did not give me a choice in the matter. Two - The political agenda of "my" union is very much opposite of my own political views. I don't ever remember a questionnaire being sent to members asking their views on the issues. Why not? Because the agenda is pretty much set in stone; it's not going to change. "YOU are the union" is not the reality for a lot of people. If you don't see that, perhaps you don't understand what unions are all about.
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No. 15
Old Sep 07, 2008, 12:00 AM

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NYS is a "closed shop" state. Even if you refuse to join - which you may do - you must pay dues if you work in a union shop.
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No. 16
from ocankhe
Old Sep 07, 2008, 06:51 AM

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Not every union is the same. Some are better then others, some let the local concentrate on controlling their specific local issues. Others try and make every local follow a statewide or national agenda. Just like government you get what you vote for. Unfortunately, after the first union organizing vote most members decrease the activity in the union as well as keeping current on the issues and end up voting to keep the status quo. Or even worse by not voting at all thus insuring that current leadership becomes entrenched and non responsive to the needs of its members.
Dues like wages vary widely across the country and are directly affected by state laws.
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No. 17
from rjflyn
Old Sep 07, 2008, 10:16 AM

Default Re: What if I want to quit the union?
Originally Posted by ocankhe View Post
Not every union is the same. Some are better then others, some let the local concentrate on controlling their specific local issues. Others try and make every local follow a statewide or national agenda. Just like government you get what you vote for. Unfortunately, after the first union organizing vote most members decrease the activity in the union as well as keeping current on the issues and end up voting to keep the status quo. Or even worse by not voting at all thus insuring that current leadership becomes entrenched and non responsive to the needs of its members.
Dues like wages vary widely across the country and are directly affected by state laws.
Exactly, most like the insurance, retirement, seniority, education, job security and wage benefits they get with a union contract. Most local unions then affiliate with national organizations to obtain expertise in negotiating for those things. A lot of those are very politically involved and WE the individual often don't agree with those ideas. The problem lies in like you state we don't vote and are not involved like we should be. WE are our union, but by ignoring it WE let it become THEIR union. Also you don't have to work there, how many hospitals are there in the USA.


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No. 18
from K98
Old Sep 07, 2008, 10:18 AM

Default Re: What if I want to quit the union?
Originally Posted by rjflyn View Post
Having had worked at a unionized facility and had a parent that belonged to unions for years reading these posts here it is clear that many don't understand what unions are or their concept. First of all by joining YOU are the union. SO if a a facility has 500 nurses and 450 join that is the union. Its not some mysterious entity from afar its the nurses themselves, not some outside source, unless they hire someone to assist in that capacity. Most do as we are nurses not contract negotiators. If you don't like the union, your the ones that guide it, your the ones that can change it.

Rj

Post 1000
I understand unions. I was an active member of the ATU for 25 years (now retired). The SEIU is useless, nothing but a drain on our paychecks. They remind me of a protection racket, shaking the staff down for 60.00 a month per head then doing nothing for their "protectees"...
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No. 19
from 1Tulip
Old Sep 09, 2008, 05:41 PM

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I decided I had to get out of the union the day I faced the fact that I could not in good conscience engage in a work action. I can't work hard with my patients on Monday and look them in the eye and say... "oh, but... by the way... I won't be here Tuesday because I'm going to be on the picket line."

Over 80% of our nurses don't feel this way. I have nothing but respect for them. (If I didn't, I wouldn't work alongside them.) I realize decisions like this are a highly personal form of moral calculus. My decision applies to me only, and no one reading this should infer anything beyond that.

But having made the decision, I need to extract myself from the union.
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