What in the heck are private LPN programs? - Page 4

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  1. Nov 21, '11 by
    Luther Cristman Dean, Rush College of Nursing.Chicago. He fired all LPN's who had given years of dedicated service to Presbyterian St Luke's Hospital. I never agrred with that, or his rationale. My BFF graduated from a CC based LPN program in 1978, I believe. Excellent nurse. She then recieved an AD shortly after, and a BSN 20 years later.
  2. Nov 21, '11 by
    There was a recent piece on NPR about the "for profits" basically stalking returning soldiers to separate them from their GI Bill money. One guy'd spent a fortune only to find out his school wasn't accredited and nobody accepted his degree.

    It is very much "Buyer beware."

    And FYI, I don't care what initials you put behind your name, I care how smart you are, how safe you are, and how well you work with a team. I'd rather have a good, experienced LPN on shift with me than a brand new, thinks they know it all, ink on my license still wet BSN.
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  3. Nov 21, '11 by
    I graduated from a "for profit" lvn school which also offers an lvn to rn program. I am very confident in the skills that I learned. Just because you are in doesn't mean that you pass the classes. People failed out. Everyone I graduated with passed the nclex on the first try so we must have learned something.

    I plan on continuing my education... online. Gasp! But I am confident in my skill as a nurse. I know what I know and I ask questions and do research when I don't. I have precepted several new grad rn's as well as seasoned rn's and can say without a doubt that the letters behind your name do not mean a damn thing when it comes to the quality of patient care.
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  4. Nov 21, '11 by
    56,
    I am not current on ANA happenings,Obviously. I no longer am a member, although I used to be. This is by choice. My own personal set of life circumstances limit me,We all have them. Acceptance is difficult.Chronic disease flares frequently.Being so LIMITED is so frustrating. Looking back at a brilliant career with tremendous potential that i used to have is no longer something I anguish.And I speak of no one about it.I am grateful that I am able to work, and that disease has been stable for over a year. knock on wood.
    I am very much in favor of the 16 month accelerated programs, as well as the graduate level APN programs post a non nursing BS. I know 3 people currently in such programs. Open mind? Not even going to answer that.
    Historical perspective of nursing is a great interest to me. My beloved mother was a diploma school graduate , class of 1945. Brilliant,gracious lady. When I moved back to this area, I became Elaine's daughter, in the community.Local people all remembered her as a wonderful nurse. I pray my clinical practice has been worthy her honor,
    I SO REGRET posting anything, any opinion on line. It was late at night. I as very upset about a dangerous medication error I had discovered. Disbelief how the young grad defended herself.
    Condescending? Yes, it certainly sounded that way. My intent when I wrote it? NO. Foolish to post my opinion on this reputable web site viewed by thousands of nurses. Absolutely. Any comment posted on line is there FOREVER. Do I feel misinterpreted? Oh yeah. But I am accountable for my post, and my poor judgement to post my opinion.

    Condescending? I reread the post, and certainly see how it offended nurses who read it. Was that my intent. No. But my opinion remains in regard to several local private programs. I feel these nurses dishonor the profession.

    So hopefully I have learned my lesson, I will NEVER post anything on any public website. I will NEVER write anything controversial online or in an email.Especially when I am tired, and angry. Had I slept instead, and waited until morning, a post would never have been written.
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  5. Nov 21, '11 by
    Whoops, Did not mean to write that paragraph twice.
  6. Nov 21, '11 by
    Quote from BeachBedhead
    Hmmm for profit schools scare me. Here in California, there is a few popping up. One is a BSN program and they don't even have pre reqs! You can either do the pre reqs and hope they transfer and pay like 100k or you can do the pre reqs there and do the program for like 150k. I believe it is still a 3 year program. And now that this school is known, they have waitlist! This is scary!
    Too me, if you can "buy" your profession like that, then the whole career seems so worthless. Basically if you got the cash then you got it. Ugh
    While I DO know the school you are talking about and do not recommend it because of the price and availability of other options you statement that they don't require prerequisites confuses me as in the next breath you state you can either do the prerequisites before you enter the school or do them on campus at the school. So it's not that they don't "require" prerequisites persay but they offer the option of doing them with the school which MANY schools offer.

    There are lot of professions you can "buy" your way into. I didn't realize being poor was a requisite before becoming a nurse or a member of any profession.
    Last edit by tothepointeLVN on Nov 21, '11
  7. Nov 21, '11 by
    Quote from BSN32

    So hopefully I have learned my lesson, I will NEVER post anything on any public website. I will NEVER write anything controversial online or in an email.Especially when I am tired, and angry. Had I slept instead, and waited until morning, a post would never have been written.
    Eeeh don't sweat it I put my foot in mouth on online forums TID over a wide range of subjects and websites.
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    Nov 21, '11 by
    Quote from BSN32
    56,
    I am not current on ANA happenings,Obviously. I no longer am a member, although I used to be. This is by choice. My own personal set of life circumstances limit me,We all have them. Acceptance is difficult.Chronic disease flares frequently.Being so LIMITED is so frustrating. Looking back at a brilliant career with tremendous potential that i used to have is no longer something I anguish.And I speak of no one about it.I am grateful that I am able to work, and that disease has been stable for over a year. knock on wood.
    I am very much in favor of the 16 month accelerated programs, as well as the graduate level APN programs post a non nursing BS. I know 3 people currently in such programs. Open mind? Not even going to answer that.
    Historical perspective of nursing is a great interest to me. My beloved mother was a diploma school graduate , class of 1945. Brilliant,gracious lady. When I moved back to this area, I became Elaine's daughter, in the community.Local people all remembered her as a wonderful nurse. I pray my clinical practice has been worthy her honor,
    I SO REGRET posting anything, any opinion on line. It was late at night. I as very upset about a dangerous medication error I had discovered. Disbelief how the young grad defended herself.
    Condescending? Yes, it certainly sounded that way. My intent when I wrote it? NO. Foolish to post my opinion on this reputable web site viewed by thousands of nurses. Absolutely. Any comment posted on line is there FOREVER. Do I feel misinterpreted? Oh yeah. But I am accountable for my post, and my poor judgement to post my opinion.

    Condescending? I reread the post, and certainly see how it offended nurses who read it. Was that my intent. No. But my opinion remains in regard to several local private programs. I feel these nurses dishonor the profession.

    So hopefully I have learned my lesson, I will NEVER post anything on any public website. I will NEVER write anything controversial online or in an email.Especially when I am tired, and angry. Had I slept instead, and waited until morning, a post would never have been written.
    Thanks for replying. There was probably a bit too much indignation in my response as well, although I didn't call you condescending! I'm sorry you are dealing with chronic illness and the interruptions and frustration of wanting to stay employed more than anything. We have several members here who are dealing with that situation, and some have had to choose (or others made the choice for them) to go on disability. There is a real mourning process that goes along with that, and a feeling that maybe you don't have anything to offer. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    When I wrote my post I was thinking about the school DON and one of my instructors in particular (diploma grads). One had been a navy nurse and had a very formal prescence but a heart of gold. I remember thinking how her pillbox style cap with the trim didn't quite "fit" but I learned so much from her. The DON was just a bit of a thing with bright red hair and lipstick that was a bit jarring, but she was out often due to advancing Huntington's Disease. She was really struggling with her speech by the time we graduated but she soldiered on anyway. I was probably subconsciously defending them!!

    I believe there are probably many companies in the burgeoning nursing education market who are "fly by night" so getting a third party opinipn and really doing our homework when choosing where to go to school is so important. Anyone who relies on the sales pitch only is nuts!

    Thanks for your gracious reply.
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  9. Nov 21, '11 by
    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    While I DO know the school you are talking about and do not recommend it because of the price and availability of other options you statement that they don't require prerequisites confuses me as in the next breath you state you can either do the prerequisites before you enter the school or do them on campus at the school. So it's not that they don't "require" prerequisites persay but they offer the option of doing them with the school which MANY schools offer.

    There are lot of professions you can "buy" your way into. I didn't realize being poor was a requisite before becoming a nurse or a member of any profession.
    I dont know if you felt attacked by post or offended or if you were just be informative but I was just stating my opinion about a particular program here. I, in know way was saying you have to be rich or poor to be a requisite for a nursing program.
    But its online so anything can be taken anyway...so sorry to offend or whatever...
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    Nov 21, '11 by
    Quote from nursel56
    Thanks for replying. There was probably a bit too much indignation in my response as well, although I didn't call you condescending! I'm sorry you are dealing with chronic illness and the interruptions and frustration of wanting to stay employed more than anything. We have several members here who are dealing with that situation, and some have had to choose (or others made the choice for them) to go on disability. There is a real mourning process that goes along with that, and a feeling that maybe you don't have anything to offer. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    When I wrote my post I was thinking about the school DON and one of my instructors in particular (diploma grads). One had been a navy nurse and had a very formal presence but a heart of gold. I remember thinking how her pillbox style cap with the trim didn't quite "fit" but I learned so much from her. The DON was just a bit of a thing with bright red hair and lipstick that was a bit jarring, but she was out often due to advancing Huntington's Disease. She was really struggling with her speech by the time we graduated but she soldiered on anyway. I was probably subconsciously defending them!!

    I believe there are probably many companies in the burgeoning nursing education market who are "fly by night" so getting a third party opinion and really doing our homework when choosing where to go to school is so important. Anyone who relies on the sales pitch only is nuts!

    Thanks for your gracious reply.
    Agreed! IN this case you may not get what you pay for.

    As a graduate from the very beginning of Purdue University's ADN program my director Dr, Joyce Ellis (rip) be appalled at these drive through schools. I think nursing as a whole needs to take a serious look and the churning of nursing graduates both LPN and RN's. It should never be about the quantity but the quality of what is graduated. I know I chose Purdue at the time due to a near 100% board passing rate and of course accredited. I learned much from my nighttime LPN....Louise Geyhart, THANK YOU for it all!!! I miss you...xoxo

    I too am battling a dibilitating auto-immune disorder and pray every day that I will be able to return to work. I listen here and I fear I will never work again whether or not I can. I too have made the difficult decision to let all my certifications lapse and many I cannot keep because I do not work actively in my speciality....many of my memberships are gone in lieu of braces for my children, medications and an array of specialists that right now I'm pretty unhappy with, but that's another story. So I staulk the boards on AN....

    I think the drive through, chun out nurses mentality needs to be re-assesed and all grads be helsd to a higher standard.....
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