Universal coverage for pregnant women and children = 9 days of DOD spending - page 3

but even if schip is fully funded, millions of children will still be excluded from health care coverage. up until now, medicaid and the schip program have made great strides in providing children... Read More

  1. by   burn out
    [quote=ZASHAGALKA;2094478]



    I'm merely clarifying labels.

    I think the problem comes with putting labels on everything. When we label we tend to sterotype and most people are not true sterotypes. We are indidviduals. When we start seeing everyone as an individual then maybe
    we can learn to value human life more maybe we can become more compassionate when people are not just statistics or a group or class or a label.

    I respect your opinion timothyI think you have wonderful logic and knowledge but I think I just found were we differ.
  2. by   ann945n
    I am 100 percent against socialism in any form including that of free health care for adult americans, just go look at the quality of care in socialized nations and youll be happy for america. Having said that though I believe anyone under 18 should be protected under their state for healthcare, minors cant get health care and should not be punished for their parents bad choices. Once youre 18 though you gotta find your own, just like with education.
  3. by   NRSKarenRN
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  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from ann945n
    I am 100 percent against socialism in any form including that of free health care for adult americans, just go look at the quality of care in socialized nations and youll be happy for america. Having said that though I believe anyone under 18 should be protected under their state for healthcare, minors cant get health care and should not be punished for their parents bad choices. Once youre 18 though you gotta find your own, just like with education.
    What about our current Medicare for the elderly, disabled, and renal dialysis?
  5. by   Simplepleasures
    Michael Savage will get mad if you dont give him credit for his phrase. I actually like some of the things he has to say, I think he is a closet liberal.:wink2:
    Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Mar 4, '07 : Reason: quoting deleted post
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    http://www.cbpp.org/2-5-07tax.htm
    the skewed benefits of the tax cuts, 2008-2017
    with the tax cuts extended, top 1 percent of households
    will receive more than $1 trillion in tax benefits over the next decade

  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from hm2viking
    http://www.cbpp.org/2-5-07tax.htm
    the skewed benefits of the tax cuts, 2008-2017
    with the tax cuts extended, top 1 percent of households
    will receive more than $1 trillion in tax benefits over the next decade

    simple facts:

    individual income accounted for 899 billion in tax revenue in 2005

    individual income accounted for 797 billion in tax revenue in 2000

    that is a 12.8% increase in income tax receipts within 5 yrs of implementation of the 'cuts'. it cumulatively results in more then 400bn additional income taxes over a five yr period.

    plus, there are countless bns in other increases as the general economy has benefitted from the so-called 'cuts', resulting in higher tax receipts. no matter how you look at it, there is simply not a trillion dollar 'cut' in tax revenues going on; it's a huge increase in receipts.

    this is the common problem with this line of thinking: that tweaking the input has no effect on the outcome. in reality, the tax 'cuts' had a huge positive impact on the economy, resulting in more receipts.

    just as raising those taxes would have the opposite effect, decreasing tax receipts and stifling economic growth. that would be very bad for the poor and middle class. it's a simple fact that the number of dollars are finite. the more the gov't confiscates, the less that is available for economic growth. the gov't doesn't increase economic growth, it saps from it. the goal must be the fine line between taxation and growth. that means that as some point, decreasing taxes has an adverse effect just as increasing taxes has an adverse effect. the issue is balance.

    an economy that has grown on average of greater than 3% every year since the 'cuts' is evidence that a good balance has been created.

    i favor tax 'cuts' not because i want to give the rich more money but because i am better served with them being taxed more; and that is what those cuts have achieved.

    simple fact: the 'rich' aren't paying less taxes, but considerably more as a result of the 'cuts'.

    by any objective measure, it is an overwhelming measure of success for the poor when the gov't can devise a scheme to make the 'rich' pay not only more overall taxes, but the greatest proportion of taxes. that is the net result of president bush's pro-poor tax policies.

    reversing that trend would require the poor and middle class to have to share more of the burden. that would not be a pro-poor or pro-middle class policy.

    ~faith,
    timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Mar 4, '07
  8. by   passgasser
    Quote from ingelein
    Oh, the poor rich, my heart bleeds for them ,my heart even bleeds for Uberman$500,000. , but then again, I guess Im a bleeding heart liberal.:wink2:
    I've been wanting to ask this, and this is a good post to lead in:

    Why this hatred for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, though as a CRNA I make a pretty good living. Why the vitriol? In most cases, the wealthy became wealthy through their own hard work. They took advantage of opportunities that were presented, and often made their own opportunities. Why resent them for what they earn? Why the presumption that they somehow don't deserve what they earn?
  9. by   passgasser
    Uberman, just a thought. Quoting radio personalities, particularly when those personalities are as rabid as Savage, is not a particularly good way to get your point across.
    Last edit by VivaLasViejas on Mar 4, '07 : Reason: quoting deleted post
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    I am very proud of my life.
    I am Christian not secular.
    I have helped more than one young girl decide not to abort her baby by helping her find an alternative.
    I've been the best wife I could be for more than 40 years.
    My kids are neither in jail nor on welfare. They have associate degrees and my son supported his wife all the way to a masters at age 26.
    I am glad for the opportunities to volunteer for the Red Cross blood drives, to visit and bring books, filmd, and video games to veterans in rehab, to play with kids in a shelter, and to work for the common good.

    Most of all I am proud of the nursing care I've provided in five decades.
    All nurses should be proud of our valuable work.

    AND no one who has contributed nursing care for nearly thirty years should be denied healthcare.

    God bless you all. I pray for those who broadcast hate and those who listen. It is really sad. We Americans can be so much better than this.
    Thankfully most of us are.
  11. by   Uberman5000
    Quote from spacenurse
    I am very proud of my life.
    I am Christian not secular.
    I have helped more than one young girl decide not to abort her baby by helping her find an alternative.
    I've been the best wife I could be for more than 40 years.
    My kids are neither in jail nor on welfare. They have associate degrees and my son supported his wife all the way to a masters at age 26.
    I am glad for the opportunities to volunteer for the Red Cross blood drives, to visit and bring books, filmd, and video games to veterans in rehab, to play with kids in a shelter, and to work for the common good.

    Most of all I am proud of the nursing care I've provided in five decades.
    All nurses should be proud of our valuable work.

    AND no one who has contributed nursing care for nearly thirty years should be denied healthcare.

    God bless you all. I pray for those who broadcast hate and those who listen. It is really sad. We Americans can be so much better than this.
    Thankfully most of us are.
    Yes - I feel the same way you Space Nurse - I pray for all those who broadcast hate as well - I pray for those who try to force socialism on this great country - I also pray for American citizens that are working hard and have health insurance while the IV drug user with no job has full health, dental and vision coverage because he doesn't have a job. I pray for everyone that takes personal responsibility to improve their own lives and stops blaming everyone else for his/her own problems, I pray for Israel. God Bless you all, oh yeah and one more thing, I pray that gay marriage is never passed in this country.
    Last edit by Uberman5000 on Mar 4, '07 : Reason: forgot to pray for Israel
  12. by   ann945n
    Quote from spacenurse
    I am very proud of my life.
    I am Christian not secular.
    I have helped more than one young girl decide not to abort her baby by helping her find an alternative.
    I've been the best wife I could be for more than 40 years.
    My kids are neither in jail nor on welfare. They have associate degrees and my son supported his wife all the way to a masters at age 26.
    I am glad for the opportunities to volunteer for the Red Cross blood drives, to visit and bring books, filmd, and video games to veterans in rehab, to play with kids in a shelter, and to work for the common good.

    Most of all I am proud of the nursing care I've provided in five decades.
    All nurses should be proud of our valuable work.

    AND no one who has contributed nursing care for nearly thirty years should be denied healthcare.

    God bless you all. I pray for those who broadcast hate and those who listen. It is really sad. We Americans can be so much better than this.
    Thankfully most of us are.
    Whatever happend to personal responsibility? If youve (no one in paticular) been working your whole life then retire and dont plan a way to pay for future potential medical problems I wont be crying any rivers over anyones situation. I dont know why we cant hold adults to a standard of being able to provide the basic safe guards for themselves.
  13. by   Uberman5000
    Quote from ann945n
    Whatever happend to personal responsibility? If youve (no one in paticular) been working your whole life then retire and dont plan a way to pay for future potential medical problems I wont be crying any rivers over anyones situation. I dont know why we cant hold adults to a standard of being able to provide the basic safe guards for themselves.
    Because Ann, its really "You're Fault" if someone is a criminal or drug addict, failure etc... somehow you didnt help them enough(indirectly) as society on a whole failed them, its never about personal responsibility Ann, its all about blaming everyone else for your own problem and feeling guilty for it when it arises.

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