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from the census bureau. income climbs, poverty stabilizes, uninsured rate increases real median household income in the united states rose by 1.1 percent between 2004 and 2005, reaching... Read More

  1. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from hm2viking
    we the people of the united states, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the united states of america.

    article i
    section 8. the congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the united states;

    to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the united states, or in any department or officer thereof.

    congress would be acting within its constitutional authority if it established a single payer health system. as i see it the constitution was written for protection of the people not just corporations. no one person can go it alone. as a society we have to work together to make things better if we are to succeed over the long run. if we view society as only a series of competing groups without obligation to establishment of the common good and shared sacrifice we are then building a house divided against itself. i think it was jim hightower's father who said "everybody does better when everybody does better." health care is a matter of long-term national prosperity and defense. it is time to build a better system for the benefit of all americans. doing nothing is not an option.
    except that, if you keep reading, the constitution grants congress limited, enumerated powers by which to ensure the preamble. and, a national healthcare plan is not an enumerated power of congress.

    the 10th amendment makes clear that, if not enumerated, such powers do not belong to congress.

    meddling in the healthcare of citizens was not considered congress' perogative. there is no constitutional authority for raping such powers from the states and individuals.

    ~faith,
    timothy.
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Has anyone researched Ahnulds political contribution list? I would be willing to bet that PHRMA has dumped a pile of cash in his campaign fund. If I lived in CA I know that I would vote for Angelides.
    Angelides has his own "dumped" pile of cash. Dems are not immune to taking contributions.

    I didn't vote for Arnold originally - I voted for the real conservative . But this time around I may have to vote for him as Angelides does not represent me.

    steph
  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    I think EMTALA and other laws were enacted by the federal government to promote the general welfare.
    http://www.cms.hhs.gov/EMTALA/

    The Constitution of the United States of America
    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    The constitutionality of the Social Security Act was settled in a set of Supreme Court decisions issued in May 1937. The text of those decisions, with dissents, is presented here. (We also include a brief historical essay to help general readers better understand the context of the decisions.)

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/court.html
  5. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    I guess it makes no sense to argue, in this day and age when the Constitution is a mere concept and not the actual founding of our law, to state that the Federal Gov't has no Constituional Power to enact national healthcare and that the 10th Amendment specifically forbids it from exercising Powers not specifically granted it.

    The REASON why Congress has only limited, enumerated powers was to keep it from meddling in our lives. I neither want nor need such meddling. I don't see how lowering healthcare to the lowest common denominator is either Constituional or wise.

    As such, requiring those that DO work to provide for those that DON'T is an unConstituional theft of not only the fiduciary nature, but of Power.

    Or, as JFK once said, 'Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country'.

    When you take away individual responsibilities, you also take away individual rights. I just can't see the benefit of a gov't that coins the term, "Who's your Daddy" for itself.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Well, the "Ask not..." is a great line, but its application here is inapt. There are some people, owing to mental illness or profound disability, who will need our assistance. At the risk of sounding preachy, "Whatever you did unto one of the least, you did to me."
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    [quote=zashagalka]except that, if you keep reading, the constitution grants congress limited, enumerated powers by which to ensure the preamble. and, a national healthcare plan is not an enumerated power of congress.
    quote]

    by definition, congress has the ability to provide for the general welfare through enactment of statutes. the framers gave congress room to meet the needs of the nation as a whole with a "kitchen sink" clause. no one in 1787 could have foreseen every need for national development in the next 250 years. the last clause of section 8 (see below) was written in a way to allow duly elected representatives the power to enact statutes on behalf of the nation as needed.

    to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the united states, or in any department or officer thereof.
  7. by   twograce
    wait until you are on the recieving end.....
  8. by   RNurseIam
    I began an an accelerated nursing course thinking I could live without health insurance for one year. Eight months into it, my periods were getting way too heavy. I went to a clinic where I was diagnosed with a uterine fibroid that was the equivalent size of a three-month pregnancy. Six weeks later it was diagnosed as cancer. I had a total hyster and four months later had a lobe in my lung removed for a met there. I have rung up about $60,000 in bills. I never had health problems before this. That's why I thought I could make it a year without insurance.

    I also didn't qualify for Medicaid because I don't have children. I've been paying taxes since I was 18 y.o. The one time I needed a little help I don't qualify. Because I don't have children.

    Cathy
  9. by   moodychick
    RGN1,

    This scenario sounds painfully familiar to what's happened in the USA for years!

    Folks get used to "hand-outs"; and it lives on in the family for generations!
    Immigrants come over and immediately get on the welfare rolls. Good honest working-for-less-than-minimum or minimum wage, or just having a bout of hard luck for awhile can't get help!!! I always feel bad for the folks who come in to ER, who ARE working and have absolutely NO benefits. There but for the grace of God go I!!!! On the other hand, you have folks who just plain don't want a J-O-B; and they're rolling in benefits!!!!!

    I've never been able to understand it!
  10. by   Fuzzy
    Quote from RNurseIam
    I began an an accelerated nursing course thinking I could live without health insurance for one year. Eight months into it, my periods were getting way too heavy. I went to a clinic where I was diagnosed with a uterine fibroid that was the equivalent size of a three-month pregnancy. Six weeks later it was diagnosed as cancer. I had a total hyster and four months later had a lobe in my lung removed for a met there. I have rung up about $60,000 in bills. I never had health problems before this. That's why I thought I could make it a year without insurance.

    I also didn't qualify for Medicaid because I don't have children. I've been paying taxes since I was 18 y.o. The one time I needed a little help I don't qualify. Because I don't have children.

    Cathy

    Hi Cathy,
    I hope that you are doing better. It's a hard thing that you're going through.
    I feel your pain. Granted mine wasn't cancer but gall stones. I lived with my gall stones and the pain that goes with them for 10.5 years because I was hoping for the medical coverage. Well I didn't get medical coverage but I did get a healthy case of pancreatitis and a stone lodged in the common bile duct. I did get the gall bladder removed to the healthy sum of $16,000. It's going to take me awhile to pay that one off. I also have pre-existing conditions which require daily medications that I also paid out of pocket. Two are generic now thank goodness. I'm just waiting for the patent on the other one to end than it will be more reasonable too.

    Fuzzy
  11. by   teeituptom
    Quote from emsrn1970
    JFK is directly to blame for the number of homeless and poor in this country as well as his predecessor for the utter failure that the war on poverty has caused. JFK and Lyndon Johnson have done more to harm and decimate minorities and women in this country than any administration in history.

    And just how do you figure that, he has been dead for 4 and 1/2 decades now.
  12. by   twotrees2
    Quote from rninme
    A society is only as strong as it's weakest link....don't know who said it first. We, as a nation, rank somewhere around dead last among the industrialized nations in healthcare for our citizens. What does this say about us as a country? We can build bombs but we can't build free clinics?? We can help other countries (not that helping others is wrong) but we can't help the people in need in our own backyards??

    Some of the judgemental attitudes I've seen on this particular thread really bother me. I don't think anyone CHOOSES to be homeless or go without basic medical care. No one DESERVES it. No one member of society has greater value than another....JMOHO. I'm going to post this...and then sign off this thread before I end up smacking someone.

    we have had quite a few european students here for a yr at a time - one thing they all say is how great the health care system is - noone goes without care - noone - however - if this is the way we want it we muct also realize those countries that have it pay more than HALF thier wages into taxes - horse a piece - which would you do.

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