Socialized Medicine sure is scary..... - page 4

ezra klein has a very interesting discussion about the outcomes of the french health insurance system versus the us system. yes, but are we better? right, you say, that's all very not... Read More

  1. by   Katie82
    Quote from Fuzzy
    I just want an affordable health insurance policy. I would be happy with a catastrophic policy. I really don't want socialized medicine. I want affordable and accessible medicine. I keep asking myself, "Why do my pets get better healthcare than I?". They aren't insured. There healthcare is affordable.

    Fuzzy
    Have you taken your dog or cat to the vet lately? I drop 2 - 3 hundred every time I take one of my pets through the door.
  2. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from Katie82
    I lived in Italy for 2 years. My first husband was Italian, so as a citizen through marriage, I had access to the Healthcare System. I was young and healthy, I'm sure that made a difference, but I did have a baby there, so I had some exposure to the system. I can't complain. I had a family doctor who referred me to an OB. He took good care of me - I delivered in a private Clinica, and the only money we paid was the optional charge for a private room so my husband could stay with me - he couldn't boil water and the hospital fed him during my one-week stay - very common in Italy. I can't say what it would be like if I were elderly or had a chronic disease.... One thing I did notice, however, is that the docs try to jack up their bill by performing more expensive procedures. My OB immediatly suggested a C-section because it pays more. I had been warned by friends and was ready for it. Stood my ground and still had a good outcome.
    This isn't foreign to our system, either. Our C/S rate is multiple times higher than what evidence-based guidelines say it should be.
  3. by   hypocaffeinemia
    As to which system is best, no system is without its flaws. However, before you look upon solutions, you need to decide what the question is.

    Specifically, is healthcare-- including non-emergent, preventive, routine, chronic and palliative heath care-- a right or a privilege? This isn't so much a legal question so much as it is an ethical question. I do think this is a binary decision one must make. Only then can an appropriate solution be researched that addresses it.
  4. by   Koyaanisqatsi-RN
    Quote from hypocaffeinemia
    As to which system is best, no system is without its flaws. However, before you look upon solutions, you need to decide what the question is.

    Specifically, is healthcare-- including non-emergent, preventive, routine, chronic and palliative heath care-- a right or a privilege? This isn't so much a legal question so much as it is an ethical question. I do think this is a binary decision one must make. Only then can an appropriate solution be researched that addresses it.
    It is absolutely 100% a right. Just the same as police and fire protection is a right. I'd imagine most people would be aghast if you suggested to privatize our police and fire. Yet, for some reason, privatizing our healthcare is ok? It's a ridiculous notion.
  5. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from ooottafvgvah
    It is absolutely 100% a right. Just the same as police and fire protection is a right. I'd imagine most people would be aghast if you suggested to privatize our police and fire. Yet, for some reason, privatizing our healthcare is ok? It's a ridiculous notion.
    Indeed, the same people who state that we shouldn't socialize healthcare likely support socialized fire/ems/police and the largest chunk of our government: socialized military.

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