Show Bedside Nurses the Money - page 2

Show Bedside Nurses the Money New UAN poll offers solutions to the staffing crisis. American Journal of Nursing - April, 2003 - Volume 103, Issue 4... Read More

  1. by   mri4plsn
    as far as i am concerned i think nurses deserve more pay and less patient to nurse ratio. the mechanic in the small town i live in charges 72$ per hour to work on my car. electricians and plumbers start around 40$. there is so much money wasted at my place of employment it is ridiculous. we have way too many chiefs and not enough indians. cut out some of the chiefs that walk around and do a lot of nothing and that is where we can get additional funds. while i am running my fanny off my direct supervisor is out smoking her hourly cig.
  2. by   jadednurse
    These posts that keep saying "I'd rather have better working conditions, more support, respect, etc than more money" are absolutely killing me!

    So nurses have to chose between one or the other?

    That's the kind of mentality that will prevent nurses from getting the support, respect AND pay that we deserve!
  3. by   Furball
    Hospitals are in dire straits..yes...BUT...have you ever seen a CEO go without a pay raise even though they make ungodly amounts?
  4. by   JillRene
    I agree with JadedNurse. I love Nursing but it is time we get what we deserve. And if you believe that just because the CEO's and the Administrators are saying they are losing money then you are more naive than I thought. I say give me your budget, I'll fix it real quick. I am a single mom with 3 kids to support. For those of you that say you'll take a pay cut, how can you say that and not think of your collegues. There is a ton of money in the health Industry, it just goes to the wrong people. I suggest we all start pressuring our state politicans, and make some noise.
  5. by   RN-PA
    Originally posted by Furball
    Hospitals are in dire straits..yes...BUT...have you ever seen a CEO go without a pay raise even though they make ungodly amounts?
    Originally posted by JillRene
    I agree with JadedNurse. I love Nursing but it is time we get what we deserve. And if you believe that just because the CEO's and the Administrators are saying they are losing money then you are more naive than I thought. I say give me your budget, I'll fix it real quick. I am a single mom with 3 kids to support. For those of you that say you'll take a pay cut, how can you say that and not think of your collegues. There is a ton of money in the health Industry, it just goes to the wrong people. I suggest we all start pressuring our state politicans, and make some noise.
    We've had this discussion numerous times here and it always sounds the same because until root causes are changed, we'll keep having the same discussions and frustrations. CEO's and other administrators' salary cuts would be a drop in the bucket-- Yes, it would show good faith and would be an appreciated gesture, but it's not going to solve much in the big picture. It's the BEDSIDE aspect of nursing that is going to make or break nurses (staffing appropriately, among other things) and keep them at the bedside. How many nights have I thought, "They can't pay me enough to do this job!" It's less the money for me and more the working conditions when I consider my future in nursing at the bedside.
    Last edit by RN-PA on Apr 29, '03
  6. by   JillRene
    Boy, the more I sit here and think about this the angrier I get. As Nurses we have got to have more of an impact on the health care system. The good ole boy network has got to be closed down. I have no doubt that because nursing is a predominately female profession we are not being taken seriously. What do we do?? We are some of the most intelligent people on this earth should we be taken advantage of because we are also the most compassionate?? Should we get serious and start acting instead of sitting around *****ing? If everyone searched on the internet for their Senator and Congress representative email address and start bombarding them with emails do you think they may start to listen? I've seen very little attempts to come up with a decent health care program by our government. We all know the Pharmacutical companies and the insurance companies are making a ton of money. I really believe it is because the money is being mis-appropriated. Am I talking out of my butt???
  7. by   JillRene
    RN-PA, I agree, we should get to the root. It's time to start doing some research. Should we start with the hospital budget, health care insurance coverage, and the cost of pharmacutical products?
    I would love to meet a Journalist that would be willing to start digging.
  8. by   -jt
    <I would take a little LESS money if it meant money could be used to hire more nurses (lower our ratios) and PCT's (aides) so that I could perform my job better, more safely, and give better care to my patients.>


    Why should we have to accept less money to have that? We should be demanding both. Nurses have to wake up, get business savvy, stop devaluing themselves, and stop being martyers. The money to pay for what we need without disrespecting us by lowering our salaries and forcing us to choose between better salary or better working conditions is there. Its just being siphoned off and going to executives salaries, perks, and pockets at the hospitals, medical insurance companies and HMOs.

    Reading the numerous articles in this forum alone about the millions of $$$ that are out there being "swindled" by healthcare CEOs and drug companies, it gets very hard to believe that there is just no money to be found. Let those guys accept less money. Take some out of THEIR pockets - not ours - & put that towards patient care improvements. Theres plenty of enough money for it:

    Hospital CEO was paid $2.25 million bonus before 200 got the ax
    http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/4790257.htm

    Outrageous Fortune of Healthcare CEO's
    http://www.revolutionmag.com/newrev9/ceowealth.html

    The $2 million Man - A hospital CEO
    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...t=CEO+salaries

    Aetna lays off employees - yet CEO gets $9 million bonus http://www.ctnow.com/business/hc-ae...ines%2Dbusiness

    Profits of Top Grossing Pharmaceutical Companies
    http://www.calnurse.org/cna/pharmchart31103.pdf

    NEW REPORT SHOWS HMO EXECUTIVES RECEIVE HUGE COMPENSATION -
    HMO Executive With Highest Compensation Received Over $54 Million in 2000 and Had Unexercised Stock Options of $358 Million
    http://www.familiesusa.org/media/press/2001/hmo_ceo.htm

    Hospital Administrator's Salary
    No money to hire nurses but CEO gets raise of over $1 million
    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...ators+salaries

    who is the next Enron?
    Executive PayWatch Database - executive salaries and other "compensation"
    http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamer...ou/database.cfm

    CEO salary growth
    http://www.aflcio.org/paywatch/ceou_compare.htm

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    Last edit by -jt on Apr 29, '03
  9. by   RN-PA
    Originally posted by -jt
    Why should we have to accept less money to have that? We should be demanding both. Nurses have to wake up, get business savvy, stop devaluing themselves, and stop being martyers. The money to pay for what we need without disrespecting us by lowering our salaries and forcing us to choose between better salary or better working conditions is there. Its just being siphoned off and going to executives salaries, perks, and pockets at the hospitals, medical insurance companies and HMOs.

    Reading the numerous articles in this forum alone about the millions of $$$ that are out there being "swindled" by healthcare CEOs and drug companies, it gets very hard to believe that there is just no money to be found. Let those guys accept less money. Take some out of THEIR pockets - not ours - & put that towards patient care improvements. Theres plenty of enough money for it:

    I don't mean to be a negative "Yes, BUT-ter", ~BUT~, as we've said, ad nauseum, nurses must get organized, get politically active, nation-wide in order to make changes. We can stand up and beat our chests and make demands and quit being martyrs, but the reality remains that not enough of us care enough or have the time or energy to move these "mountains" needed to change all that's wrong. Tell us what we can do-- realistically-- rather than just starting these same threads and complaining about our lot every 6 months or so.
  10. by   -jt
    <Tell us what we can do-- realistically-- rather than just starting these same threads and complaining about our lot every 6 months or so.>

    I for one (and there are others) have spent a lot of time educating & informing people here of what they can do & how to do it. I dont think we're all just complaining. In between posting their opinions and venting their frustrations, a lot of nurses are becoming pro-active and taking action.
  11. by   RN-PA
    Originally posted by -jt
    <Tell us what we can do-- realistically-- rather than just starting these same threads and complaining about our lot every 6 months or so.>

    I for one (and there are others) have spent a lot of time educating & informing people here of what they can do & how to do it. I dont think we're all just complaining. In between posting their opinions and venting their frustrations, a lot of nurses are becoming pro-active and taking action.
    I know, jt-- My own frustration was showing and of course we need to vent and post opinions. I am fairly pessimistic right now and sometimes feel like it's a losing battle, but realize that if every one of us did one thing to try to improve our situations (writing letters to our representatives, letters to the editor, etc.) we could possibly make a difference.

    I have stuck my neck out and been more vocal at meetings at our hospital and get sick and tired of feeling like a voice in the wilderness, and probably being labeled as "difficult" or a complainer. I know my fellow nurses feel the same as I, but they do not express themselves, in spite of my encouragement and example, so to change a huge and unwieldy system, I'm not sure how to begin when so many are unwilling to do what needs to be done.
  12. by   funnygirl_rn
    Tell us what we can do-- realistically-- rather than just starting these same threads and complaining about our lot every 6 months or so. [/B]
    Hmmmm.....I believe jt, NurseKaren & many others (sorry, I don't know all your names by memory) provide the board members with numerous informative posts, web-sites and/or email addresses for us to take that "first" step to informing our congress officials that we want/need "changes" in our profession. They have done the legwork to keep the majority of us informed by posting these said web-sites. Often, I do my own searches to find more officials to email as well....but, I find that every email or phone call is another step to making a change. Eventually that mountain will be moved...if enough of us write congress, attend rallies & speak up by letting our voices heard. Complaining can be a good thing...it releases tension & also could pique interest in others in getting them to take that "first" step as well.
  13. by   betts
    What about salaried nurses? 'State' was just in and I logged 64 hours of which 24 is without pay. By the way, another "NO TAGS for Nursing Department!"

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