Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 15

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    Quote from tewdles
    I get it.
    It is just too bad for my young friend who had to declare bankruptcy when his appendix ruptured and he had no insurance through his work.
    It is just too bad for people who are forced into bankruptcy when they develop a health issue and their insurance company cancels them and leaves them with the bill AND no insurance.
    We live in an Ayn Rand utopia and I missed the transition.
    Dang
    Tewdles, it is not a matter of being, "just too bad," The issue is that tradgedy and setbacks are inevitable in this life. My backruptsy five years ago, as a result of the cost of my wife and daughter's medical expenses was one of the worst experiences of my life. The only thing worse was almost loosing my family. However, my troubles are my responsibility, not anyone else's. Facing this hardship (which continues to this day) is my responsibility. It is my job to take care of my family, in good times and bad, and to do so responsibly, without burdenning you or anyone else.

    So, we have not been able to take the vacations we dreamed of, or live in a house as nice as those of others who work as hard as I do. Do I complain or demand that others meet my family's needs? No; that would be childish, selfish, and unrealistic.

    Life throws good and bad at us all. Living well means facing hardship with courage and doing the hard work of building a good life and being as happy as possible in an imperfect world. No law or politician can change that. To imagine that they can is living in a fairy tale, not in the real world. And, looking to others to absorb the pain of life's troubles does not set anyone free, it does the opposite; making us dependent children who never grow up, and so, live the lives or serfs rather than those of free citizens who are able to enjoy our liberty with courage.

    Life can be tragic, I cannot change that; but I can take responsibiliy for my own life and be a free man instead of one who never outgrows the dependancy and restrictions of childhood.

    I wish your friend and you the best.
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    Quote from GM2RN
    It's understandable that someone without insurance may not be able to pay an entire ER bill right away, but to never pay a dime is inexcusable for the vast majority of people.

    Do you have a cell phone or TV, smoke cigarettes, eat fast food? Have you ever purchased new clothes from a department store, bought an alcoholic drink, or gone to the movies? Unless EVERY PENNY you make goes for gas to get back and forth to work/school, you eat beans and rice exclusively, and you never go anywhere or purchase ANYTHING for entertainment, you (and everyone else in this situation) should be paying SOMETHING toward your medical bills until they are paid off or you die.
    Right...because if someone dared to buy their child a christmas present so he/she could wake up to a holiday other than what resembles that of a 3rd world country then you can obviously afford to make payments that resemble a mortgage.
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Tewdles, it is not a matter of being, "just too bad," The issue is that tradgedy and setbacks are inevitable in this life. My backruptsy five years ago, as a result of the cost of my wife and daughter's medical expenses was one of the worst experiences of my life. The only thing worse was almost loosing my family. However, my troubles are my responsibility, not anyone else's. Facing this hardship (which continues to this day) is my responsibility. It is my job to take care of my family, in good times and bad, and to do so responsibly, without burdenning you or anyone else.

    So, we have not been able to take the vacations we dreamed of, or live in a house as nice as those of others who work as hard as I do. Do I complain or demand that others meet my family's needs? No; that would be childish, selfish, and unrealistic.

    Life throws good and bad at us all. Living well means facing hardship with courage and doing the hard work of building a good life and being as happy as possible in an imperfect world. No law or politician can change that. To imagine that they can is living in a fairy tale, not in the real world. And, looking to others to absorb the pain of life's troubles does not set anyone free, it does the opposite; making us dependent children who never grow up, and so, live the lives or serfs rather than those of free citizens who are able to enjoy our liberty with courage.

    Life can be tragic, I cannot change that; but I can take responsibiliy for my own life and be a free man instead of one who never outgrows the dependancy and restrictions of childhood.

    I wish your friend and you the best.
    Wait a minute...

    You filed BANKRUPTCY? You dumped your bills on the creditors you promised to pay?

    And you consider yourself responsible?

    That's hilarious.
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Tewdles, it is not a matter of being, "just too bad," The issue is that tradgedy and setbacks are inevitable in this life. My backruptsy five years ago, as a result of the cost of my wife and daughter's medical expenses was one of the worst experiences of my life. The only thing worse was almost loosing my family. However, my troubles are my responsibility, not anyone else's. Facing this hardship (which continues to this day) is my responsibility. It is my job to take care of my family, in good times and bad, and to do so responsibly, without burdenning you or anyone else.

    So, we have not been able to take the vacations we dreamed of, or live in a house as nice as those of others who work as hard as I do. Do I complain or demand that others meet my family's needs? No; that would be childish, selfish, and unrealistic.

    Life throws good and bad at us all. Living well means facing hardship with courage and doing the hard work of building a good life and being as happy as possible in an imperfect world. No law or politician can change that. To imagine that they can is living in a fairy tale, not in the real world. And, looking to others to absorb the pain of life's troubles does not set anyone free, it does the opposite; making us dependent children who never grow up, and so, live the lives or serfs rather than those of free citizens who are able to enjoy our liberty with courage.

    Life can be tragic, I cannot change that; but I can take responsibiliy for my own life and be a free man instead of one who never outgrows the dependancy and restrictions of childhood.

    I wish your friend and you the best.
    So, you think anyone that lives in Canada and Europe are serfs?! That we have no freedom? We have no liberty?!

    I can assure you that we do not live in fairytales or under the yoke of anyone.

    Nobody I know has ever had to declare bankruptcy due to paying for healthcare.

    The mind boggles.
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    I guess this is one of those topics that no one will bend on. It doesn't matter what is said to some people, they will pick a stance and defend it no matter what. ONLY IN AMERICA... The land of entitlement.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    I guess this is one of those topics that no one will bend on. It doesn't matter what is said to some people, they will pick a stance and defend it no matter what. ONLY IN AMERICA... The land of entitlement.
    This is one of those topics (as demonstrated above, ex: bankruptcy) that everyone has an opinion on until it involves them. It's not okay to get any form of "welfare" until it's YOUR kids who are starving. It's not okay to be a deadbeat regarding your bills until YOU need to file bankruptcy etc, etc.
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    Quote from Fiona59
    So, you think anyone that lives in Canada and Europe are serfs?! That we have no freedom? We have no liberty?!

    I can assure you that we do not live in fairytales or under the yoke of anyone.

    Nobody I know has ever had to declare bankruptcy due to paying for healthcare.

    The mind boggles.
    Canada is way ahead of the US if you ask me. They have more socialized methods (healthcare, education) and still manage not to trample on personal rights like we do here. For example, from what I gather just reading this site, Canada doesn't require drug testing as a condition of employment. Imagine that.
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    What should I have done instead, Ntheboat2? Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the amount of money that I paid to my creditors in the bankruptcy settlement was too low? Is that correct? I am particularly interested in knowing how you handled the financial aspects of keeping your wife and child alive, housed, and fed when you faced this situation. Please respond so that the rest of us can enjoy the hilarity that you find in this kind of situation.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2
    This is one of those topics (as demonstrated above, ex: bankruptcy) that everyone has an opinion on until it involves them. It's not okay to get any form of "welfare" until it's YOUR kids who are starving. It's not okay to be a deadbeat regarding your bills until YOU need to file bankruptcy etc, etc.
    Ntheboat2...If an otherwise contributing citizen falls on hard times then I'm ok with helping them out while they are making an honest effort to get back on their feet. But the problem with healthcare funding being automatic is that if people don't even have to feign an effort, then the number of people who choose to utilize the new "Right" will swell. We're in a deficit right now! How are we going to pay for the increase in healthcare spending? Even if it wasn't WRONG to force everyone to pay for others healthcare, where is the money going to come from?

    Even trying to pull this off will simply lower the quality of healthcare for all, as the first attempt to finance this will be a wave of cuts. Surely it will lead to a drop in pay for healthcare workers. How would you-or any of the posters, actually,- like to see a significant increase of federal taxes along with a substantial drop in your pay. Because it will happen!
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 10, '12
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    Quote from CountyRat
    What should I have done instead, Ntheboat2? Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the amount of money that I paid to my creditors in the bankruptcy settlement was too low? Is that correct? I am particularly interested in knowing how you handled the financial aspects of keeping your wife and child alive, housed, and fed when you faced this situation. Please respond so that the rest of us can enjoy the hilarity that you find in this kind of situation.
    I'm not the one judging others who are asking for help. The fact that you are is what makes it hilarious.

    Yes, it is hilarious that you make statements like this:

    It is my job to take care of my family, in good times and bad, and to do so responsibly, without burdenning you or anyone else.

    Do I complain or demand that others meet my family's needs? No; that would be childish, selfish, and unrealistic.
    When you so obviously weren't responsible with your own money.

    So, you don't think you were a burden to all the companies whose debt you wrote off? You think filing bankruptcy is being RESPONSIBLE?

    Someone who isn't financially capable of providing healthcare for their family is no more irresponsible than someone who isn't capable of paying for TVs or entertainment so they swipe a card and then leave the bill on the creditor's back.

    It's rather ironic...don't ya' think?


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