Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 14

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  1. Visit  Ntheboat2 profile page
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    And you know what, Ntheboat2? Most of them not only don't appreciate your getting up early on their behalf, but they don't even think about it. They couldn't care less about how hard you're working to keep them healthy lol..... wait a minute, that shouldn't be lol. It was true.
    I don't get up early on their behalf. I do it on my own behalf and that of my children. If other people benefit from that then so be it.

    You know there are lots of people who don't have children, but they are paying taxes that fund the public schools which my children attend. I'm sure there are people who don't use the library or drive on the interstate, but their taxes fund those things as well.

    If anyone really goes to work and thinks, "Hmm. I hope those kids who are in school appreciate that I'm going to work on their behalf!" then they should probably rethink their priorities.

    OR....here's an idea...if it's such an easy life, quit working and try it out for awhile. I'd be willing to bet anyone who did that would be begging to go back.
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    Quote from Ntheboat2

    OR....here's an idea...if it's such an easy life, quit working and try it out for awhile. I'd be willing to bet anyone who did that would be begging to go back.
    You're right. I would be begging to go back. But as for the ones who I am speaking of, many of them don't know what they're missing out on because they've never worked to begin with.
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  3. Visit  Poochiewoochie profile page
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    I supposed we should just continue on our merry little course and let those who can afford healthcare receive it while those who can't fall to the wayside. We're supposed to be a first world country but we seriously lag behind other countries in the world when it comes to healthcare for our citizens. The argument about whether healthcare should be a basic human right is not even a topic of discussion in countries that we consider to be inferior to ours.

    The debate over it is long and tiring. The right in the country complains about it being a country of entitlements. The problem with the right is they want things as long as their tax dollars are not paying for it. I see it all the time in the city where I live which happens to a bastion of conservative republicanism-Colorado Springs. They refuse to vote to raise taxes but when services in the city are cut when the money isn't there they spend their time complaining about them.

    Oh and by the way. Medicaid patients do have a co pay.
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  4. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    We have the wealthiest poor in the world. It is time for these free loaders to start paying their fair share instead of being takers all the time.

    Amount Spent on Welfare Exceeds Average Income
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    Quote from 22gawhitacre
    We have the wealthiest poor in the world. It is time for these free loaders to start paying their fair share instead of being takers all the time.

    Amount Spent on Welfare Exceeds Average Income
    Just so you know, you are completely wasting your time giving actual proof that these programs significantly hurt the rest of us. You can expect responses like "Of course some people abuse the system, but most are just on it for a little help." And that is just the naive one's. You have other's living in a dream world where our resources are never ending and just say (And I'm not making this up, either...) "Don't worry what it costs. If people need help we should help them!" It doesn't matter to some posters that this "Help" has been being given to these people for, in many, many cases all of their lives all the way into their adulthood. They don't care that these same people choose to put work INTO staying eligible to freeload as if THAT were their job.

    I grew up on handouts (as did my parents) and I lived in communities where the ENTIRE neighborhood as well as the neighboring communities were filled with nothing but freeloaders. But when I tell the posters this they tell me my opinion is biased because of the way I grew up. I kid you not, this is how many posters think!. THE WAY I GREW UP IS WHY I KNOW WHAT I KNOW!!!!!!!!

    But that doesn't matter. The point is some people believe whatever they want to. I'm realizing that that is just the way it is. I hope to God that they are never put in charge of our budget.
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  6. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    The point is some people believe whatever they want to.
    Yup. Much easier to generalize everyone that has ever needed assistance as freeloaders than face the fact that you want to deny help to people that truly need it.

    So I'm assuming you're not taking advantage of anything from tax money that I have to pay for right? Like you definitely don't have kids in school, right? Because I'm sure if you did, you'd have already sent me a thank you note for paying for your kids' educations.
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  7. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    I personally feel that the overall health of the citizens of this country is important to me and to the country. I really don't mind if my tax dollars subsidize the health care of those less fortunate...especially if we can provide access to comprehensive care rather than ED visits.

    I would rather pay taxes to cover the health care of my poor neighbor than to nation build in the middle east...just sayin
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    Quote from wooh
    Yup. Much easier to generalize everyone that has ever needed assistance as freeloaders than face the fact that you want to deny help to people that truly need it.

    So I'm assuming you're not taking advantage of anything from tax money that I have to pay for right? Like you definitely don't have kids in school, right? Because I'm sure if you did, you'd have already sent me a thank you note for paying for your kids' educations.
    See what I mean, 22gawhitacre? Look at the bold face above. This is posted after I've posted at least 2 times in this very thread that-I can remember off the top of my head (I really don't feel like rereading all of my earlier posts and counting)-that I am ok with helping people get on their feet so long as they are in the process of helping themselves as well. It still doesn't stop them from believing whatever they want to believe. And it was proven in the very next post after mine.

    And as for the rest, "No," you shouldn't wait by the mailbox for that thank you note. That is because the taxes that I pay covers my 2 daughters share of the bill in in the funding of the school.
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    Quote from tewdles
    I personally feel that the overall health of the citizens of this country is important to me and to the country. I really don't mind if my tax dollars subsidize the health care of those less fortunate...especially if we can provide access to comprehensive care rather than ED visits.

    I would rather pay taxes to cover the health care of my poor neighbor than to nation build in the middle east...just sayin
    Sometimes we agree tewdles, sometimes we don't. Here you make good points. My only problem is that you don't seem to want to hold some of those "Less fortunate" accountable for anything. I don't mind helping the less fortunate as long as they are also trying to be responsible. But I don't want to do more for them than they are willing to do for themselves.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED

    And as for the rest, "No," you shouldn't wait by the mailbox for that thank you note. That is because the taxes that I pay covers my 2 daughters share of the bill in in the funding of the school.
    Really, your property taxes are over $20K? Because $10K is the average spent per student each year. And that's if those taxes ONLY cover school, it's going to need to be well over that once you cover the other things taxes pay for.
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    Really, your property taxes are over $20K? Because $10K is the average spent per student each year. And that's if those taxes ONLY cover school, it's going to need to be well over that once you cover the other things taxes pay for.
    You got me on that one (in truth I'm a renter so I pay no property taxes). But if you balance my property tax deficit against my federal taxes I'm shot WAAAAAY into the black. So I don't feel too bad about soaking up the homeowners property taxes as I contribute more than my fair share into other things. Plus if you look at it that way my daughters mother would be responsible for half of my babies economic impact so that leaves me with a $10k responsibility per your numbers which put's me further into the black if looked at overall.

    Thought ya had me that time, didn't cha, wooh?



    In all seriousness though, I'll say it again for what is probably the 5th or so time. I am all for helping others. I just want them to help themselves as well. I don't understand why you as a taxpaying citizen is ok with others getting by on your dime, while you work your @$$ off and on top of that PAY for your own healthcare.

    Why are you (not just you, but since I'm responding to you I thought I'd put you on the spot a bit) so against others being as responsible for their own health as total strangers are?

    I understand not everyone can pay a $100k medical bill on their next paycheck. But that shouldn't stop them from paying everything they can.
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 12, '12
  12. Visit  wooh profile page
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    I'm still putting more towards kids' educations than I'm getting out. In your world, it's just not fair to me to have to pay for your moocher kids to be educated when nobody else is pitching in for my dogs' obedience schools.
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    Quote from wooh
    I'm still putting more towards kids' educations than I'm getting out. In your world, it's just not fair to me to have to pay for your moocher kids to be educated when nobody else is pitching in for my dogs' obedience schools.
    You know something? If you never have any children who attend public schools, then you are right, you shouldn't have to pay.

    But I noticed that you avoided answering my question. That did not go unnoticed...
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 12, '12

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