Schwartznegger on Hannity and Combs tonight.. - page 4

In case anyone is interested, I just saw an ad for Hannity and Combs on Fox News Channel tonight saying that Arnold will be on tonight. In a few minutes, actually. Have no idea what the discussion... Read More

  1. by   begalli
    Quote from spacenurse


    March 10, 2005

    Aides Concede More Mock News Videos

    Tapes praise governor's proposals on nurse staffing, teachers. Legislators plan probe.
    Arnold belongs in jail.
  2. by   ERNurse678
    [QUOTE=caroladybelle]And how is the pay in SC???????

    And the statistics bear out that ratios are working. As well, as studies show that patients are safer with that ratio in place.

    You know safety...or is patient safety not important?

    actually my pay compared to the standard of living here which is a lot less than ca. is great. I am not complaining at all. And as far as patient safety goes, yes that is important and I feel like the patients at the hospital I work at are very safe. Patient safety sounds great when discussing why unions do what they do but that doesn't seem to be on many peoples minds when the unions go on strike. As far as the comment about the southern nurses becoming strike nurses. Why not? If you guys can't take care of the pt's because of a strike, someone has to. Would you rather see the pt's not get taken care of. That shows a real concern for the pt.
  3. by   caroladybelle
    Would people please kill the "Greedy Southerners specialize in breaking strikes" line?

    I know plenty of Northerners that love to break strikes and plenty of Southerners that would never dream of doing so.

    And I have seen plenty of real Southerners without an accent, and transplants from yankee states or borderliners that have one thick as syrup.

    I regret that you have had a bad experience with Southerners. I have had some really nasty experiences with unions/Californians but I don't paint them all with the same brush.

    And as I have lived in GA, I am aware of SC's payrates. While the comment about cost of living in Cali is fitting, in comparison to many other states with similar costs of living to SC....the pay is generally less in SC.
  4. by   begalli
    Quote from ERNurse678
    As far as the comment about the southern nurses becoming strike nurses. Why not?
    Don't know if you've ever lost a loved one in a hospital environment where the ratio went as high as one RN to 10-12 patients?! Did the loss have something to do with the ratios? Probably contributory - this is a fact. I would never wish this upon anyone (the family or the nurse), but I think you have a lot to learn and experience.

    I'll tell you what. When it comes right down to it, the folks who work stikes are simply riding the coattails of those who put their families and their livelihoods on the line to fight for a better environment for themselves and their patients. Healthcare is downright dangerous and frightening in this country and things need to change. IMO, scabs are just "yes" men and women who do what's best for them and them only with no regard for the general principle of what's right or wrong for the nursing and patient population and the community as a whole.

    Really, those who detest unions and come here and knock those unions have some nerve! While in the process of fighting for better patient care, the memberships of unions put money in the pockets of scabs and allow scabs to enjoy the cushy work environment that they get when they are utilized by hospitals that don't respect the assessments of the delivery of patient care by the professional nurses who run their hospitals! Hospitals put their patient's lives on the line in this process.

    Unions react, they do not create the problems. The hospitals and politicians like arnold create these problems. Unions have done nothing but good for CA nurses and patients. All the unions. CNA is the most public with the largest membership, but there are other unions who protect and serve their membership under the direction of thier membership. They are an avenue for change with proven results. Show me another way and I'm more than happy to consider it.

    ERNurse listen, I have respect for anyone who does not wish to belong to a union. That's your choice. I cannot respect your words however. They sting and smack of division.

    I dunno, if you can live with yourself, more power to ya! Whether you like it or not, you benefit from unions no matter where you stand.
    Last edit by begalli on Mar 11, '05
  5. by   lee1
    Lift teams are now mandated in Hospitals by CA law.

    Can you tell me more about this. How much money are they paid for example, compared to your nursing techs/aides?? How does their system work, beeper, first called, first answered?? How many work per day/weekends/shifts??? Who are they responsible to???
  6. by   stevierae
    Quote from ERNurse678
    As far as the comment about the southern nurses becoming strike nurses. Why not? If you guys can't take care of the pt's because of a strike, someone has to. Would you rather see the pt's not get taken care of. That shows a real concern for the pt.
    No, what is SHOWS is greed, greed, GREED. Pure and simple.

    Let management take care of the patients, since they are not union. Let the greedy strike breakers who cross state lines to cross picket lines stay home and take care of their OWN patients, so that the strikes that we find necessary will accomplish their task in as little time as possible, and WE can get back to doing safe patient care.

    Tell you what. Next time someone responding here comes to OR or CA to bust a strike, volunteer the information to the patients that you are "taking care of" that you are here from another state and have crossed a strike line. Watch the expression on his or her face, and let me know just how "appreciated" your efforts are. You aren't fooling anyone, including the patients---they know your agenda, and your agenda is entirely self-serving.
  7. by   stevierae
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Would people please kill the "Greedy Southerners specialize in breaking strikes" line?

    I know plenty of Northerners that love to break strikes and plenty of Southerners that would never dream of doing so.

    And I have seen plenty of real Southerners without an accent, and transplants from yankee states or borderliners that have one thick as syrup.

    I regret that you have had a bad experience with Southerners. I have had some really nasty experiences with unions/Californians but I don't paint them all with the same brush.

    And as I have lived in GA, I am aware of SC's payrates. While the comment about cost of living in Cali is fitting, in comparison to many other states with similar costs of living to SC....the pay is generally less in SC.

    I have nothing against Southerners--my husband is from Georgia. I was not making fun of anyone's accent, either. I was merely pointing out how we were able to recognize the majority of the strikebreakers as being Southern--by their accents.

    The point I was trying to make is that the lowest paying states---those in the South--are also the states that are vehemently non-union, and the nurses from those states, particularly on this BB, tend to trash unions and criticize the nurses from out West who are union nurses. They constantly mock CNA and those of us who have walked strike lines to make mandated RN to patient ratios a reality. Yet, come a strike, they are the ones tripping over themselves to come out here and work in the hospitals where we are once again out on picket lines, for good cause. Why can we depend on the support of other unions--firefighters, electricians, plumbers--and not our own brother and sister RNs, who want to capitalize on our battle and benefit monetarily from it? Call it whatever you want, it's just plain greed.
  8. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from stevierae
    I have nothing against Southerners--my husband is from Georgia. I was not making fun of anyone's accent, either. I was merely pointing out how we were able to recognize the majority of the strikebreakers as being Southern--by their accents.

    The point I was trying to make is that the lowest paying states---those in the South--are also the states that are vehemently non-union, and the nurses from those states, particularly on this BB, tend to trash unions and criticize the nurses from out West who are union nurses. They constantly mock CNA and those of us who have walked strike lines to make mandated RN to patient ratios a reality. Yet, come a strike, they are the ones tripping over themselves to come out here and work in the hospitals where we are once again out on picket lines, for good cause. Why can we depend on the support of other unions--firefighters, electricians, plumbers--and not our own brother and sister RNs, who want to capitalize on our battle and benefit monetarily from it? Call it whatever you want, it's just plain greed.

    What??? I haven't seen any particular trend on this BB or anywhere which shows that Southerners on this board are trashing CNA. This Southerner in particular has been VERY supportive of CNA. Just because you have observed a few Southerners breaking strike lines, (or people you assumed to be Southerners) does not mean that Southerners in general are a bunch of greedy hypocrites. How absurd. I GUARANTEE you that strikebreakers come from all over the country.


    By the way, what is your position on the large number of Californians who have come on this board to complain about the CNA? Do you have any crass generalizations to make about them?
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    I have attended NTI in New Orleans and Atlanta. Critical care nurses from many states, territories, and Canada praised CNA.

    I believe most teachers, police, and firefighters in Atlanta are union members with defined benefit pension plans.
    Am I right?

    OK - about Arnold:
    http://www.arnoldwatch.org/

    ArnoldWatch Web Log: - Mar 11, 2005
    The War of the Words
    by: Carmen Balber

    In 1938, Orson Welles' dramatization of "The War of the Worlds" sent American radio listeners into a panic when late-comers to the realistic broadcast were convinced that Martians were attacking New Jersey. Welles later apologized, concerned that anyone mistook the fictional dramatization for reality.

    67 years later, Arnold has no such qualms about using fake media reports to deceive the public -- or spending taxpayer funds to do it.

    The gov has used tax dollars to produce at least four fake news reports to advance the governor's political agenda that look and sound like real stories, featuring the actor-in-chief himself. But, just as Welles' 1938 broadcast would be unbelievable if heard today, the governor's nonsensical scripts don't have a plausible storyline.

    According to Arnold's "news casts," lunch hour rules opposed by employee groups will "mean that [workers] can eat when they're hungry." Staffing rules opposed by nurses because they don't meet patient safety standards are "intended to assure patient safety... and improve nursing work conditions." Boards now required to meet in the open would be "more publicly accessible" when under the governor's exclusive control.

    These Hollywood fictions don't report that the governor's proposals are opposed by the real people they effect and are designed to benefit the governor's big industry contributors.

    It's bad enough when the gov raises $80,000 a day from big business, then turns around and promotes those industry donors' agenda in a special interest extra election. But it's inexcusable that taxpayer dollars are paying for Arnold's propaganda.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from begalli
    steph.. :icon_hug: but, not because you are not a manager (just because).

    Back at ya . . .

    Hey, my grandparents are from Arkansas and Oklahoma . .maybe that's where I get my anti-union stance. Naw . . . they are actually Democrats and pro-union . . . dear old dad was an ironworker and he voted for Kerry.

    And I'm pretty sure Tee It Up Tom is from Texas and he loves being a strikebreaker . . . lots of money in it.

    I'm not sure we can make generalizations about people . . I'm a Californian but I don't have any palm trees in my front yard. Clint Eastwood does own a ranch nearby though . . hmmmmm .. .

    Nevermind-this is making no sense.

    Carry on ...

    steph
  11. by   jaimealmostRN
    Quote from mattsmom81
    My feelings: any nurse who doesn't believe mandating nurse patient ratios is good for the public and good for nursing is NOT a nurse. They are a manager first and foremost...

    JMHO.
    Totally, 100% agree with this. I am so proud of the Nurses, firefighters, teachers and others that are NOT letting up on him.
  12. by   jaimealmostRN
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    Last edit by jaimealmostRN on Mar 12, '05
  13. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from stevielynn
    "He cannot be 'against' nursing unions and still be 'for' nurses" . . . . . .



    Just had to remark about the above statement which is of course false.




    steph

    Hmm. Have to agree to disagree I guess Steph.

    Just my simplistic mind working here...but since the CNA is made of nurses... being against a union of nurses is being against nurses...

    Unions after all are all about and made up OF its membership. I don't see how one can place them in two neat little stacks apart from themselves.

    JMHO again

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