Robert Wood Johnson Univ Hospital Nurses to Strike - page 18

Registered nurses start strike August 24, 2006 at 7am at Robert Wood Johnson Univeristy Hospital in New Brunswick, NJ Nurses reject contract proposal Home News Tribune Online 08/17/06 By DAVID... Read More

  1. by   proud2banurse
    THANK YOU TO ALL ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES WHO STOOD TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED TEAM DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME! I am looking forward to our working together for many years to come. This has taught us all a valuable lesson. We were able to discuss our opinions, however they differed. We did not get everything we asked for in this contract, nor will we ever. Sometimes you have to walk before you can run. But traveling in a group is always better than alone. We will now proceed with a greater knowledge of how important it is to be not only a great nurse, but a savy business person. In the next three years we will use what we have learned to obtain the best contract for nurses. Look out RWJ administration!

    WHO ARE WE?
    We are the nurses. The Robert Wood Johnson Nurses.

    We will walk in the door of that hospital on Thursday with no regrets, with no doubts. We will treat our fellow colleagues whether they crossed the picket line or not, as the professionals that they are.

    And why is that? Because, who are we?

    WE ARE THE NURSES. THE ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES.

    SWEET DREAMS!!!
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from proud2banurse
    THANK YOU TO ALL ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES WHO STOOD TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED TEAM DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME! I am looking forward to our working together for many years to come. This has taught us all a valuable lesson. We were able to discuss our opinions, however they differed. We did not get everything we asked for in this contract, nor will we ever. Sometimes you have to walk before you can run. But traveling in a group is always better than alone. We will now proceed with a greater knowledge of how important it is to be not only a great nurse, but a savy business person. In the next three years we will use what we have learned to obtain the best contract for nurses. Look out RWJ administration!

    WHO ARE WE?
    We are the nurses. The Robert Wood Johnson Nurses.

    We will walk in the door of that hospital on Thursday with no regrets, with no doubts. We will treat our fellow colleagues whether they crossed the picket line or not, as the professionals that they are.

    And why is that? Because, who are we?

    WE ARE THE NURSES. THE ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES.

    SWEET DREAMS!!!
    This makes me proud for our profession.
    I think Robert Wood Johnson will be a great hospital because of the NURSES!
  3. by   fedupnurse
    Far more important than what you won is that you won and your union remains intact. This was clearly a union busting attempt. Now, get ready to go back. If anyone says anything to you like "you walked out on patients" etc. simply noted their name the date and time and immediately notify your e board of the incident. There are some simple minded people who buy all the rhetoric that administration puts out there. As tempting as it is to give it right back, don't. Remember to keep union talk out of patient care areas.
    Congratulations on your solidarity during this strike. It is very impressive that so few people crossed and believe me, all of you have sent a huge message to the powers that be!!!!
  4. by   twotrees2
    Quote from ironica01
    there is nothing much to it. it is the same as the one we rejected. they just added the clause, if the precedures and surgeries not offered at RWJ we can go to other hospital but what could that procedure the RWj DOES NOT DO? we even do heart transplant? that means whatever it is, I still have to drive 30 miles to RWJ in new Brunswick, 45 miles to RWJ in Rahway and 55 miles to Hamilton (2 other hospitals they added in the inner circle).
    I would like to see the clause added in the proposal that those nurses who took contract/assignment with agencies will be given enough time to complete their contract and not be forced to go back to work which was brought up before this negotiation.

    i would mention many folks have the same difficulties about distance even without working at a particular place - here - if we wish to have a baby ( and trust me i have no idea to have another though lol) we have to drive at least 35 miles to do so because they shut down our OB due lack of use ( we do thankfully so far still have er, minor surgery and a helicopter pad to send em out when anything more harsh comes in - ) to have open heart one needs to drive even farther - cause there is approx double the miles to have a baby - i dont know exact miles but you get the picture - and even just to have a tubal i had to not drive the 35 where my doc was but the double that cause the hospital 38 miles away doesnt do them due to religious basis! i guess my point is i know its frustrating to have to go so far for care - i have to deal with ot for much of our care cause being in such a small town egypt setting we dont have the big hospitals around. perhaps they could put in a clause that you could go elsewhere - be stabilized and moved at their expense to the hospital they want you at without the extra cost - i used to like going to "my " hospital when i worked there cause i knew the folks who worked there and trusted them and i thank god they shut ob down after my last baby - so i do not understand why one does not want to be where yo know the peoples work and how they take their careers unless the docs and nurses and lab techs etc - are bad then i could see not wanting to go there - be greatly appreciated if someone could explain why you wouldn't want to go there for proper care? other than the mere convenience ( which as i stated i can understand as it is a pain to have to go so far for things as us in small towns do know well. )thanks
  5. by   twotrees2
    Quote from proud2banurse
    THANK YOU TO ALL ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES WHO STOOD TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED TEAM DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME! I am looking forward to our working together for many years to come. This has taught us all a valuable lesson. We were able to discuss our opinions, however they differed. We did not get everything we asked for in this contract, nor will we ever. Sometimes you have to walk before you can run. But traveling in a group is always better than alone. We will now proceed with a greater knowledge of how important it is to be not only a great nurse, but a savy business person. In the next three years we will use what we have learned to obtain the best contract for nurses. Look out RWJ administration!

    WHO ARE WE?
    We are the nurses. The Robert Wood Johnson Nurses.

    We will walk in the door of that hospital on Thursday with no regrets, with no doubts. We will treat our fellow colleagues whether they crossed the picket line or not, as the professionals that they are.

    And why is that? Because, who are we?

    WE ARE THE NURSES. THE ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON NURSES.

    SWEET DREAMS!!!

    congratulations on the vote - i would especially like to say i am proud to say i am a nurse when i hear that everyone will go back and treat even those that crossed for whatever reason ( financial or just didn't want to strike) with the respect they deserve - THAT is truly a professional quality - you are to be congratulated. god speed and wishing you all the best
  6. by   mobetta_97
    Quote from solidaritynurse
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    Quote from solidaritynurse

    Zashagalka - Please note through other postings that there are other nurses out there that DO feel we are fighting their fight, too. We are hard-working, educated PROFESSIONALS and we are not "lucky" to get whatever multimillionaire administrators want to give us, we are entitled to and deserve excellent compensation and benefits.

    Secondly, harassment and intimidation is a little more that "a letter and a phone" call. Furthermore, I'm note sure where "I admitted" that this strike was about pride because it is not. It is about violation of Federal Labor Laws, for which a complaint has been filed with the NLRB already. We are also entitled to strike under that same premise. Why are you opposed to nurses banding together and standing up for what is right? I am happy for you that you work in a facility that is shangri-la, however, most nurses that I know don't. Most nurses I know are verbally, physically, and emotionally abused on a regular basis. It is time for administrators to stop treating nurses like glorified chambermaids and treat them like the educated, highly-trained professionals that they are! I'm glad for you that you have that, too many don't.
    My hat goes off for all of you Jersey nurses sticking together for whatever the cause! I am a Jerseyite currently living and nursing in Texas, I extend my apologies to you for having to entertain "Zashagalka" during your time of strike. You see, here in Texas everyone is opposed to a union, they don't even want to hear that word (union) come out of your mouth. The Veterans Hospital are the only unionized nurses that I am aware of. From what I have seen in my 6 years of nursing here is that when we complain about something, they eventually pay us more.(Kinda like payoff money) For a while it shuts us up but then we are at it again, kinda like a vicious circle. Our problems remain unsolved but they put more in our pocket, kinda like putting sandbags at the levy in Louisiana, a cheap quick fix. I wish you all the luck in your endeavors. Hang in there. I'm glad there are nurses out there fighting for our rights as hard-working professional human-beings.
  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from mobetta_97
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    My hat goes off for all of you Jersey nurses sticking together for whatever the cause! I am a Jerseyite currently living and nursing in Texas, I extend my apologies to you for having to entertain "Zashagalka" during your time of strike. You see, here in Texas everyone is opposed to a union, they don't even want to hear that word (union) come out of your mouth. The Veterans Hospital are the only unionized nurses that I am aware of. From what I have seen in my 6 years of nursing here is that when we complain about something, they eventually pay us more.(Kinda like payoff money) For a while it shuts us up but then we are at it again, kinda like a vicious circle. Our problems remain unsolved but they put more in our pocket, kinda like putting sandbags at the levy in Louisiana, a cheap quick fix. I wish you all the luck in your endeavors. Hang in there. I'm glad there are nurses out there fighting for our rights as hard-working professional human-beings.
    You don't need to apologize for me. It is a discussion forum which means that issues are under discussion. I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion and postings. I debated the issues and I did so credibly.

    I stated that the union would not get what it was striking for, and they didn't. They settled for the SAME offer that was made before the strike. Later in the thread, I even suggested that they NOT end the strike for the same offer, because it would undermine their efforts in future negotiations.

    My issues were NOT anti-union, but rather, I debated the specific issues of the strike.

    You're welcome to speak for yourself. But, don't speak for me.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 30, '06
  8. by   leslie :-D
    timothy,

    may i submit respectfully, that i don't find it necessary to belittle their triumphs.
    perhaps they didn't get everything.
    but they acquired enough where the tradeoff enabled them to return to work, with some concrete goals attained.
    they remained united, persevered and prioritized/reprioritized.
    should they ever strike again, this strike will have served as the foundation in which to build.
    i as a nurse, am shocked when another fellow nurse comes along and is so openly unsupportive.
    yes, it is your right to free speech.
    yes, it is a public forum.
    yet inspite of our 'rights', let's show ea other a little more encouragement in our personal and professional endeavors.
    it's not always about who is right, but rather, what is right.

    leslie
  9. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from earle58
    timothy,

    may i submit respectfully, that i don't find it necessary to belittle their triumphs.
    perhaps they didn't get everything.
    but they acquired enough where the tradeoff enabled them to return to work, with some concrete goals attained.
    they remained united, persevered and prioritized/reprioritized.
    should they ever strike again, this strike will have served as the foundation in which to build.
    i as a nurse, am shocked when another fellow nurse comes along and is so openly unsupportive.
    yes, it is your right to free speech.
    yes, it is a public forum.
    yet inspite of our 'rights', let's show ea other a little more encouragement in our personal and professional endeavors.
    it's not always about who is right, but rather, what is right.

    leslie
    It's not about belittling them. I respect the courage to strike. But IF you are going to strike, you have to be in it for the long haul.

    It's an honest assessment. Look at some of the posts later in this thread after the new (old) offer was made. It was the same offer.

    I understand the need to want to pat them on the back for the courage it took to strike. But not only did they not get what they want (which I argued was unreasonable), they also didn't get a fair compromise (which I argued was untenable). Basically, they got nothing for the strike. There was a middle ground between the two extremes and I consistently advocated in this thread seeking that middle ground.

    In fact, it was left at the bargaining table because a reasonable opening position was not made and holding out for any kind of real counter was not waited out. I'm not making a statement about the nurses, but their union.

    Their union failed them.

    Declaring victory is sweet, but there has to be a real ring to it. This victory was hollow. That's an honest assessment. If you can't be honest about where you stand, you also can't 'build for the future'.

    I'm NOT being unsupportive. I'm pointing out reality so that IN THE FUTURE, a more reasonable assessment can be made about negotiating, and maybe, about their negotiating team. THAT is supportive.

    It would be a travesty to let this union represent to its members that it gained them a victory. The truth here is brutal, not I.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 30, '06
  10. by   ERTRAVELER
    Quote from earle58
    timothy,

    may i submit respectfully, that i don't find it necessary to belittle their triumphs.
    perhaps they didn't get everything.
    but they acquired enough where the tradeoff enabled them to return to work, with some concrete goals attained.
    they remained united, persevered and prioritized/reprioritized.
    should they ever strike again, this strike will have served as the foundation in which to build.
    i as a nurse, am shocked when another fellow nurse comes along and is so openly unsupportive.
    yes, it is your right to free speech.
    yes, it is a public forum.
    yet inspite of our 'rights', let's show ea other a little more encouragement in our personal and professional endeavors.
    it's not always about who is right, but rather, what is right.

    leslie
    Well said Leslie, and yes Timothy, you have been unsupportive in the eyes of many nurses. Maybe you consider yourself the devil's advocate, but I, as a nurse and not a Robert Wood Johnson nurse, was offended with many of your posts.
  11. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from ERTRAVELER
    Well said Leslie, and yes Timothy, you have been unsupportive in the eyes of many nurses. Maybe you consider yourself the devil's advocate, but I, as a nurse and not a Robert Wood Johnson nurse, was offended with many of your posts.
    I said nothing offensive. If you aren't willing to challenge your preconceptions about how things work and why things are, then you won't grow.

    If nurses REALLY want to exercise power and not just talk about it, then nurses need to exercise the power they have wisely.

    I'm a strong advocate of having real power, be it by unions or any other means.

    Simple point of fact, the contract ultimately signed was identical to the contract offered BEFORE the strike. There is NO other rationale intepretation but that the union failed the RWJ nurses.

    They can whitewash that and we can all join in with a chorus of well done. Or, we all can learn from it.

    I don't consider myself a 'devil's advocate'. I am actually advocating the POV that the power in negotiating is well, actually negotiating. I have been unsupportive of actions that didn't advance the needs of the nurses at RWJ. In the end, my viewpoint was vindicated by the fact that their needs for striking WEREN'T met.

    If you confuse a castigation of the inept union representation during this strike at RWJ to be unsupportive of the nurses that were failed by that union, then, however untrue, I can live with that.

    But the things I said were only offensive if you blindly support unions for the sake of unions, and not their members.

    I consistently advocated two positions in this thread: 1. The original position of the union was unreasonable, and 2. Failing to get real concessions would be a disaster for the nurses at RWJ. There was a middle ground between the two extremes offered, but the nurses at RWJ simply didn't have the effective representation to either advance or vote on the middle ground that would have led to real improvements of their concerns.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Oct 1, '06
  12. by   Sheri257
    I see Timothy's point here and I don't necessarily think he should be criticized for it because he's right a lot of the time. People should honestly evaluate union performance.

    I live in California where we have CNA, which is a pretty good union. But that doesn't mean that CNA is perfect by any means. They do sometimes fail with their contracts.

    I've seen CNA lose ground in some of their contracts. But sometimes, they also make up for it with subsequent contracts that far exceed anything that's available in the marketplace. Sometimes you have to look at the performance over 2-3 contracts, not just one.

    It really depends on the individual facility. Some facilities have better union negotiators than others. And some facilities have more union support than others. If the union only has a bare majority then the negotiators are going to be in a weaker position and probably not do as well as negotiators who have the support of 90 percent of the RN's in the facility.

    I do know RN's who are unhappy with CNA at certain facilities because they didn't get good contracts the first time around, and I don't blame them. Just because I'm pro-union, I'm not going to tell them to blindly support CNA if the union isn't delivering.

    On the other hand, CNA has done great things in my particular area ... wages are up 30 percent in just three years because of them, and that's going to increase to 40 percent next year. In my case, CNA is definitely worth supporting but I probably wouldn't support them as much at other facilities where they haven't done as well.

    Because the results can be so varied ... I do think people should evaluate union performance in an individual basis. If the union isn't delivering, Timothy is right ... we need to be honest about it.

    Union accountability isn't a bad thing. If the union isn't delivering ... they need to be put on notice so, hopefully, they do better next time.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 1, '06
  13. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from pyrolady
    Folks, I hate like heck to mention this because the nurses at RWJU have a reason to strike HOWEVER....nurses in my home state (Michigan) in Petoskey have been on strike over staffing ratios and demand for better patient care for FOUR YEARS !!!! (It may be more....). The hospital bused in nurses from all over to cross the picket line and paid they HUGE salaries to do so. The town became divided over it, people fought, and all the while the corporation felt they wanted to spend their dollars fighting nurses who unionized. How STUPID !!! They spent (and ARE spending) more money to break the union just so "they" could be the winner. The patients lost because the issue is still unresolved, more nurses are out of work, heck - they weren't even debating salaries....it was patient care! Just my opinion, but "nurses" who cross picket lines and work - well, let's just leave it at that, no sense getting booted out of AllNurses .... :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
    I'm sorry pyrolady; the Michigan situation does seem to have fallen by the wayside. Agree with your feelings on strike-breaking nurses.

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