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No. 20
from Bortaz, RN
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oramar View Post
This blood thing could produce dangerous situations. There could be a long delay in giving a patient a critical blood transfusion because his/her nurse who happens to be a Jehovah's witness(or some other religion I am not picking on any particular one) and is refusing to do it. I could see it happening I really can. I have been in many situations where I could barely do my own work, if I had to repeatedly stop and give blood to another person's patient sooner or later there would be an incident. Somebody is going to bleed to death while they try to find a nurse who free to hang the blood.

That may certainly be true. I don't know. But throwing the entire population of the JW church (or whatever they're called) off the healthcare bus can't be the answer.
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No. 21
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:13 PM

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We will never all agree on hight to life vs choice. So let's look at how this could impact us individually and as a profession.

Look at the list of specialties list in this forum. There many that do not have any connection to abortion. There are many specialties that have little chance of having to give blood.

Will this have any impact on the education the students will get. Knowledge about the procedures is not the same as performing them. Every nurse needs to know about the procedures without prejudice from another's belief system.

Choose the area that fits you. If that means going from school to an area that does not perform certain procedures, great for you. If it means being honest at interview and acknowledging your limitations due to beliefs, do it. Be true to yourself and be true to the patients you have chosen to serve.
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No. 22
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bortaz View Post
And lose years or decades of compassionate care from every person that chooses not to pursue nursing due to a moral incompatibility with a small part of the profession. I don't believe that's worth it.

I meant to say earlier, by the way, that I agree with you that a pro-life nurse shouldn't be working in an abortion clinic. However, I think this law is meant for workers who encounter an objectionable case in their everyday duties, no matter where they are, and not just some busybody Christian who demanded to work at Abortions R Us and then wouldn't do the work due to being pro-life.
The regulation is being pushed hard by the Bush administration- the likely target is pharmacists who have refused to dispense prescribed birth control, including the morning-after pill, but also normal BC pills.

They want to give these people not only the right to refuse to dispense, but also the right not to refer the patient to any other pharmacies that would dispense.

Same goes with doctors and birth control prescriptions. Even though birth control pills are often used as treatment for gynecological disease, doctors against birth control can refuse to treat these patients and refuse to refer them to somebody who is willing to treat under this regulation.


Imagine a hardcore creationist doctor refusing to prescribe anything but penicillin for a staphylococcal infection because it's his belief that staph haven't adapted to the last 75 years of antibiotic therapy.

Where's the line between personal belief and malpractice?
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No. 23
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aknottedyarn View Post
We will never all agree on hight to life vs choice. So let's look at how this could impact us individually and as a profession.

Look at the list of specialties list in this forum. There many that do not have any connection to abortion. There are many specialties that have little chance of having to give blood.

Will this have any impact on the education the students will get. Knowledge about the procedures is not the same as performing them. Every nurse needs to know about the procedures without prejudice from another's belief system.

Choose the area that fits you. If that means going from school to an area that does not perform certain procedures, great for you. If it means being honest at interview and acknowledging your limitations due to beliefs, do it. Be true to yourself and be true to the patients you have chosen to serve.
I agree with every word here. Just don't knowingly enter something that contradicts your beliefs and then claim federal discrimination.
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No. 24
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bortaz View Post
If you're going to act like a child, I'll move on down the road and leave you to your discussion.
I was demonstrating my point that it's about the patient. You said I sounded like administration, but I was imagining myself as the poor guy on the table in need of some blood and some care.
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No. 25
from x_coastie
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:33 PM

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Seems fair to me. I am going to be a nurse, but needles, blood, urine, poo, talking to people, and charting are against my beliefs. So give me my job and don't make me do any of these things or I will sue you for discrimination. I expect all of my co-workers to chip in and "help" during my shift so I don't compromise my belief system. Sure I could have picked a different career path, but I like to help people!
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No. 26
Old Aug 23, 2008, 11:56 PM

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Maybe we should expand this to meds we don't like to give. Lactulose, Lasix, and especially those pesky drugs that you have to keep monitoring all the time?

There are jobs out there for waitresses, police and a wide variety of others. My guess is that all of them do things they don't like.

The question is: Is it against your moral code or values system? Don't take a job you can't or won't do.
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No. 27
from ToxicShock
Old Aug 24, 2008, 03:03 AM

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LOL x_coastie! Agreed completely.

I abstain from drinking and drug use, and I have strong personal beliefs about others doing it (to extremes mostly) but would I refuse to take care of a pt because they drove drunk? Absolutely not. Its not my place to judge them, only care for them and hope to get them well enough to understand the implications of their actions.

These religious whackos that think compromising pt care for their own beliefs is acceptable need to gtfo and find a new career.
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No. 28
from ocankhe
Old Aug 24, 2008, 05:20 AM

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To me the whole issue with regards to the HHS proposed regulations is one of a certain segment of society (with a minority view) trying to impose their beliefs on the rest of society. This should be an individual employee/employer issue that needs to be discussed prior to employment.
We do have religious freedom in this country. Part of the cost of that freedom is to respect other peoples beliefs and not try to impose our beliefs on them nor to demonize them for believing differentl.
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No. 29
from LeeLeeU
Old Aug 24, 2008, 09:43 AM

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Healthcare providers are members of a service profession and one's commitment should be to his/her patients not him/herself whether doctors, nurses, techs, etc. When working in the medical field providers have to respect other people's choices whether they like them or not. All healthcare students are warned early on in training that if they can't put aside their personal beliefs and do what is right by the patient healthcare probably isn't a good career choice. If you don't believe in blood donation you don't work at a blood bank and so on, and while working there, you shouldn't be excused from work required in your job description because afterall you are the one who decided to work in that particular place.
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