Racism at Oakland University? - page 6

In Dean Catherine Vincent's pediatric pathophysiology course, all of her white middle-class students did exceptionally well but a Mexican-American student in her class failed miserably. What was the... Read More

  1. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Oh Renee.... sooooooo well said! I wish I had an applauding smiley!

    Heather
  2. by   live4today
    :kiss Thank you, Heather!
  3. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
    Manuel...I was the only Black nursing student in all of my clinical rotations and college nursing classes, and I graduated with a 3.4 GPA. I gave the studies all I could to the best of my brain power, and didn't allow my race to become a factor, even though there were a few touchy situations that I could have made a big deal out of. I tried to offer to my all white counterparts and all white instructors the best ME I could, just like I try to do in all walks of my life to everyone...regardless of their race, color, creed, or religion.

    That's very nice Renee, but how do you know that Manuel does NOT give the best of himself. Perhaps it was not your intention, but you make it sound as if someone who is a victim of racism, "allowed" it to happen.


    I don't exist as a "race", but as a human being with much potential to offer society, family, and self.


    That's nice.

    Give your work the best you can, and then you will have something to stand on when it comes into question. If you have had others review your exams and other work, and they see areas where you could have worked a little harder, or presented a more indepth response to the test's questions, then learn to accept that we aren't always going to be graded the way we think we should. A bad grade does hurt, but the ultimate outcome is are you giving it the best you can so when you graduate you will be able to say "Well done Manuel"?
    Good points.


    Sounds to me like you are being too hard on yourself in all the wrong ways. Are you? Are you a perfectionist who can't stand anything less than "A" grades? How is your self-esteem? Does this time in your life remind you of any other time in your life? Were you this way growing up as a child in school, too? I'm just throwing these thoughts at you to hopefully cause you to reflect on other rationales for why you are so hurt when you don't do well, to the point of you having to always focus on your race or skin color as the root of the problem. I wish you well in your endeavors in life, Manuel. (((hugs)))

    That wasn't quite fair was it? Where did Manuel indicate that race or skin color is always a problem in his life? Isn't it possible that he has actually had to deal with racism in his life and he isn't using it(racism) as some excuse? Whenever someone is victimized in this way, there is often this patronizing attitude toward the victim that he/she is "allowing" themselves to be victimized as if he/she is just supposed to buck that crap and pretend as if didn't happen, or they are just "playing the race card" and you're the one with a problem. It's another form of blame the victim. As a Black woman, you should know better.
  4. by   manuelvillanueva
    Cheerfuldoer:

    Thanks for all of your insight. Getting your perspective as a minority nurse means a lot to me.

    Askater11:

    Thanks for sharing your personal experience about Dean Vincent. I'm glad you had a positive experience with her. Yes. She does teach the graduate and undergraduate peds.

    Sandstormdust:

    Their is no language barrier. I do have a slight accent. I have taken every recourse through the school of nursing. I have appealed to have my grade changed and lost. I could make a complaint of racism through the Office of Cultural Diversity. Please openly state what it is you think I am hiding.

    Everyone:

    Thanks for all your input. It is more than I hoped to imagine. It has forced me to reassess the situation, but I stand with my gut reaction and the web page stays. Creating it also helped get me past delving on the issue.
  5. by   live4today
    You are more than welcome, Manuel. As long as you were able to comprehend what I shared with you, that's all that truly matters. Please feel free to send me a "PM" if I can be of any further help to you, or you simply need a listening ear to talk to. God bless you and may you continue to thrive in your nursing career and everything else you do. (((HUGS))) :kiss
  6. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by SharonMH31
    .....there is often this patronizing attitude toward the victim that he/she is "allowing" themselves to be victimized as if he/she is just supposed to buck that crap and pretend as if didn't happen, or they are just "playing the race card" and you're the one with a problem. It's another form of blame the victim. As a Black woman, you should know better.
    As another Black woman, you sound like you have a problem with anyone offering a different point of view. Being a Black woman, I didn't see Renee's post as being patronizing. But, maybe some of us come from the "old school" and don't blame "Whitey" for every thing wrong that comes our way. Maybe some of us have learned to rise above race issues and excel despite anything that comes our way. Maybe some of us have stopped being victims and act as proud SURVIVORS. MAYBE some of us ARE high achievers and need to hear that just because we are minorities we do not have to strive for perfection ALL the time - we can be human TOO. Being a HUMAN, you should know better.
  7. by   Rustyhammer
    I just find it hard to believe that this thread is still alive.
    -Russell
  8. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Russell - it's amazing which threads will die and which ones will live on here at allnurses

    LasVegasRN - you are sooooooo wise. If you're ever back in Toledo, I'd love to have lunch with ya!

    Heather
  9. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER
    LasVegasRN - you are sooooooo wise. If you're ever back in Toledo, I'd love to have lunch with ya!

    Heather
    I'd love too! Let's go to Jing Chuan over on Secor. I DREAM of their mongolian beef. mmmmm.........
  10. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN


    As another Black woman, you sound like you have a problem with anyone offering a different point of view.

    I had to go back and read my original post in order to figure out what caused this reaction from you. I suppose, it was the part about "knowing better". It's unfortunate, I can come off as strong sometimes but the bottom line is that I have no prob with anyone having a difference of opinion, that is what makes things interesting.


    Being a Black woman, I didn't see Renee's post as being patronizing.
    That's cool, because that is where a difference of opinion comes from. And besides I agreed with many of Renee's points, just not the parts that perhaps Manuel is somehow at fault for his life's experiences(I'm paraphrasing).


    But, maybe some of us come from the "old school" and don't blame "Whitey" for every thing wrong that comes our way. Maybe some of us have learned to rise above race issues and excel despite anything that comes our way. Maybe some of us have stopped being victims and act as proud SURVIVORS.

    Gosh, where did that come from? Did I give the impression that I blame "Whitey" for everything? Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am a strong believer in personal responsibility and living one's life on one's own terms. Personally my life experiences have been nothing like Manuel's(with the exception of a few incidents) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that perhaps others have had a different experience from mine. I'm just not prepared to dismiss his feelings as being in his head(which is what I got from Renee's post).


    MAYBE some of us ARE high achievers and need to hear that just because we are minorities we do not have to strive for perfection ALL the time - we can be human TOO. Being a HUMAN, you should know better.

    There is no MAYBE about it. MANY of us ARE high achievers and we are HUMAN. I'm sorry that we can't discuss this issue and have a difference of opinion without becoming upset.
  11. by   live4today
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER
    Russell - it's amazing which threads will die and which ones will live on here at allnurses

    LasVegasRN - you are sooooooo wise. If you're ever back in Toledo, I'd love to have lunch with ya!

    Heather
    I'd like to have lunch with you too Heather. :kiss
    I'm from Ohio...haven't been home in a long time, but hope to be one day again soon. It's a great state to live in - of course that would be a prejudice opinion being that I was born, raised, and educated there.
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I just find it hard to believe that this thread is still alive.
    Unfortunately this thread will be alive long after we are both gone.

    Racism is in perpetual motion, fueling its own backward motion even when it seems to be going forward.

    Does it exist at Okland U.?................It does, even if it's just in one person.

    Racism doesn't need two people to exist, but it often does, but only because it can exist in only one person.

    Uhmmm............Did I make a point?
  13. by   Rustyhammer
    Peeps,
    I have to agree with you on the point if racism affects even one person than it does indeed exist.
    and Heather and all...
    I'll buy the first round if any of us ever get together.
    Lunch sounds like fun!
    -Russell

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