Political hope for bedside nurses - page 2

by forrester

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A new book is coming out which details the history of the California Nurses Association. Just a union...of nurses This book is now available on Amazon. It details how and why the California bedside nurses managed to get... Read More


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    Quote from forrester
    "I was educated on becoming a part of the political process in my PN and my BSN program." QUOTE

    Not really- re-read your books.
    They either show the ANA as the solution or provide information about addressing foot ulcer problems by appealing to legislators.

    The REAL political world is not to be found in nursing textbooks...until now.
    In FLorida, for example, the FHA has 20 full-time lobbyists.
    The FMA has 18 lobbyists.
    The FNA has 2 (it used to have 1)
    APN's have 1.
    I DON't need to re-read my books lol; were YOU in my class???

    Please...It was NOT through books, thank you.
    My instructors are actively a part of my state nurses association and other professional nurse associations, NOT ANA.

    Please refrain from making assumptions about what is going on in my state...instead of nit-picking through my quotes, UNDERSTAND I have been around long enough in this profession, and also HOW my state is doing significant strides in my state in regards not only in pt safety, but many other nursing issues, including standards in fighting other battles. It's NOT just in CA and FL that have lobbyists...In my state we have two nurses in our state senate. They encourage nurses to be a part of the political process. The program I graduated from had 5 lobbyists, INCLUDING the dean.

    Instead of analyzing my experiences, let's focusing on collaborating on what can move forward in equality of practice and power in our profession. What will be our barriers based on state, since it seems that is your analysis on your comparison to your state yet dismissing my experiences...will that be the barrier??? Can we respect our experiences and work past that. I am MORE interested in moving forward with that.
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    I started the Activism forum in 2001 to educate nurses on understanding political process and flexing their political muscle.

    My training wheels for activism started with discussions from RN Educators at ANA/PSNA district nursing association meetings, later state nursing conventions, split of nursing union from our state association along with education sessions at State Nursing Association, ANA conference/conventions and state hospital association meetings. More you understand the process, greater impact you can have on influencing legislation passage, rewritten/amended or blocked from passage at state level--easier than federal level.
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Apr 2, '13
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    I'm one who has evolved from being anti-union, as I've related here in the past the union actually got enough signatures for a vote in the first hospital I worked in and lost because we felt at the time management, pay, and benefits were comparable to union hospitals of the day.

    Not so in any more, sad to say.

    Also, I'm sorry if my question sounds dumb, but it was my understanding that the force behind ratios in California was not the ANA, but a group that is now known as National Nurses United.

    Anyone who can shed light on this thanks in advance!

    Edit: have discovered since asking that the CNA broke off from the ANA in 1995 and is now affiliated with NNU.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Apr 2, '13
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    This is in regards to the comment posted about ICU nurses in Florida having 3 patients. At my previous hospital, we took 4 patients each in ICU, and floor nurses took 8!
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    Good luck with that!
    We are all striving for the same goals as bedside nurses- fair ratios so we can do actual nursing, not just medical task completion.
    I have read just abiout every book regarding politics in nursing, and believe me, I've also been actively engaged in the political process. I know what goes on behind closed doors. I've been a nurse for almost 30 years, and in healthcare for 40 years.
    I've also done internships in D.C. and in my state.
    Your state asociation, with only a few exceptions, is an ANA affiliate.

    I don't want to argue, but your understanding of the political process is naive if you think these things are just going to happen.
    However, I don't know what state you practice in, that is correct.
    Maine, Minnesota, and Massachusetts are moving forward. New York also has an active state association.
    In spite of this, California is the ONLY state to have enacted practice protection for nurses in terms of ratios. We have to change that.
    Again, good luck!
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    Where do you find the nursing surveys? In the book? Where can nurses find more info at a safe place. How do we figure out which organization is working against us or with us? If you google union prevention, you'll be surprised how many companies specialize in preventing nurses from organizing. There is special training in this.
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    In response to the 4 patient assignments in ICU-

    Unbelievable!
    Why do we put up with this???????
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    Quote from sneeds
    Where do you find the nursing surveys? In the book? Where can nurses find more info at a safe place. How do we figure out which organization is working against us or with us? If you google union prevention, you'll be surprised how many companies specialize in preventing nurses from organizing. There is special training in this.
    There are some surveys available_
    The ANA surveyed 76,000 nurses in 2004 and you can find those results.
    There have been other surveys, but it's difficult when you survey nationally because you don't know what position nurses have and that can greatly influence the responses.
    This is one of the biggest problems we have as academics (at least for those of us who care about such things), nursing surveys are generally proprietary to the group that surveyed them, and most facilities don't want the survey data coming out for obvious reasons.

    While Magnet facilities SHOULD be releasing this data, thay too are very proprietary and were analysing the data themselves. Not sure if that has changed or not.

    Facilities, in general, do not want researchers coming in and surveying their nurses.
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    Quote from John Silver
    Good luck with that!
    We are all striving for the same goals as bedside nurses- fair ratios so we can do actual nursing, not just medical task completion.
    I have read just abiout every book regarding politics in nursing, and believe me, I've also been actively engaged in the political process. I know what goes on behind closed doors. I've been a nurse for almost 30 years, and in healthcare for 40 years.
    I've also done internships in D.C. and in my state.
    Your state asociation, with only a few exceptions, is an ANA affiliate.

    I don't want to argue, but your understanding of the political process is naive if you think these things are just going to happen.
    However, I don't know what state you practice in, that is correct.
    Maine, Minnesota, and Massachusetts are moving forward. New York also has an active state association.
    In spite of this, California is the ONLY state to have enacted practice protection for nurses in terms of ratios. We have to change that.
    Again, good luck!
    ^I don't know if this is in response to ME, but then again, I'll say it again...

    1) YOU don't KNOW what state I'm in;

    2) NO NEED for LUCK...VERY active in my state, very involved, and IT will happen...I'm TOO EMPOWERED and involved to make sure the issues for nurses in my state to have ratios and continued respect and power over their practice...even if it takes me until I'm six feet under.

    3) Spare me condensation...unity instead of division. If anything, respect the fact I'm past 30% of my career and I am paving the way by being a grass roots activist where most nurses burn out in my generation.

    Again, instead of saying "GOOD LUCK" RESPECT that I am active...you don't know me.
    I come from deep union roots, GENERATIONS in my family. I am PRO-Union, and I think more nurses need to get involved, especially at the state level. Reach out to those unions, collaborate. First start at the state, then move to the federal...but FIRST, we have to get the elephant in the room in regards of nurses' attitudes in the POWER of the practice.

    I'm FAR from naive...I've been educated well not from the classroom but the "hard knocks" of life. I will continue to empower others, I suggest you do the same...collaborate, collaborate, collaborate...
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    I meant good luck in the best way. You're right, and as I said before, I don't know what state you are in.
    Good luck!
    Unity will depend on who is doing the unification and what their goals are.
    With ANA membership at less than 5% and most ANA related state associations in the same boat, it just becomes a matter of financial reality.
    Political effectiveness does not happen very often do to noble intentions. Being "engaged" in the political process is not the same thing as being politically effective.

    Glad to hear you are pro-union. Personally, I think the state solution is the easiest, and only 1 group has managed that..
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