"Let me get this straight . . .
We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!
What the hell could possibly go wrong?'"
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"Fined"..think again...do more homework before you tackle that one
"Not adding new docs..." again...lie...in fact so absurd...do you really think the supply of docs from med schools is just going to come to a screeching halt? And when these "no docs" somehow magically appear where will they go..according to trump and fox style information they certainly won't be going to any country that has socialized medicine...they would not make any money...so I guess they are stuck here.
Are you 100% sure that every member of congress did not read the law??? Again I am sure you heard that on fox etc...TV... sad...
And again how does one define obese??? By the BMI..an archaic misused doctor shortcut for not taking the whole patient into account...and besides do overweight people and people who smoke become less than or ignorant in your eyes??? I do not condone it but many people in health care are just that...they still are great at what they do. Look at the many many threads in this forum to get up to speed.
"before benefits take effect..." again ...lie! I already know people that are directly benefiting from this law.
I do agree the law and the government has flaws...at least this bill is a step toward socialized medicine...maybe we can start to catch up to the rest of the civilized world...remember..first do no harm...that's FIRST...not after the profits have all been counted.
This was a quote from Doanld Trump, not Fox News.
You are right. It is a tax, not a fine. I didn't really "tackle" it, just pasted his quote.
The quote didn't say doctor's were going away (although some believe they will). It said we weren't adding additional doctors. The point is the demand for healthcare is going to increase, but supply is not. Does the new law provide for your community to get additional doctors? Is it going to build you a new hospital?
Interesting you stated doctor's wouldn't want to practice somewhere where there is socialized medicine, but at the same time you like the law because it is a step toward socialized medicine. I'm not smart enough to understand that. I also don't get that if profit is taken out of healthcare like you would like, who is going to develop new medicines, build hospitals, become a doctor, etc.?
It was widely reported at the time that many members of congress didn't read the bill, including those who wrote parts of it. To me, it's not really a stretch to beleive that most if not all didn't read it. You weren't paying attention back then, but you can find many articles online about this.
I stated I didn't really pay attention to what he said about the surgeon general and about Obama smoking.
And yes, some benefits are in place but most are not even though we have already been paying for them and will be for awhile longer before they are in place. This also is not a secret.
"Try again"? Why so snippy?
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Ah yes, Donald Trump.....such a wise sage........
I live in a state that has mandatory health coverage and as a (recently) former primary care provider, I saw the difference it made. People started getting routine preventative care, ER visits for minor complaints declined. And....jobs were created for NPs and PAs who are more than capable of delivering quality primary care to adults and children.
Obamacare is far from perfect, but I think it's an improvement over what we have now.
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