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Obamacare Survives, Supreme Court Rescues 'Big Health' - page 2

obamacare survives, supreme court rescues 'big health' just a quick comment on the supreme court's decision to uphold the constitutionality of the obama healthcare legislation, i.e. that the... Read More

  1. Visit  babyNP. profile page
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    I was ecstatic when I found out. My husband was disgruntled, however, only because we don't have single-payer health care like he does in the UK. I told him, baby steps, my dear.

    I'm just getting my UK nursing license now and spent quite a bit of time learning about their nationalized health care. It was quite fascinating. They even have a bill of rights document that specifically states that the care given to patients is not affected by their ability to pay. I nearly cried when I read that. Such a beautiful statement. They have their problems, of course, but it is still much better than our system.

    One of my best friends from high school had various health issues and talked to me about some serious GI symptoms she was experiencing on top of her asthma. I told her to go to the ER. "babyRN, I can't! I only need one more month before my insurance will kick in without pre-existing conditions. If I go now, I'll have to start all over again and I can't afford my insurance rates going up." Luckily, she's fine. But that is one of the most horrid things I've ever heard of and honestly, the Europeans have a right to look their noses down at us and ask Americans like me while taking my nursing course over there whether people really die in America because of lack of health care and aren't we ashamed of ourselves?

    Yep. Pretty ashamed. Until now...
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  2. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    I'm cautious .....there is a middle class struggling. Unemployed and underemployed losing their homes beating the pavement trying to stay in their homes. Struggling to make it day to day, they can't put gas in their tanks and food on the table. For the first time in history there are more poor in the suburbs.......40 % of middle class americans struggle to keep a roof over their heads and can't afford to pay another bill. THey have too much money for medicaid but not enough to get by.....making them pay any additional money will plunge them into darkness. I will benefit because they now can't throw me away or deny me because I am ill........but I remain concerned. I see insurance co getting more money in their pockets and the hospital getting more payments. I see the struggling having to pay more taxes drown under the weight of it all. What is the government going to do with all the penalties/tax they collect for those who don't have insurance? Bail out more banks? I remain skeptical, time will tell.
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  3. Visit  Tragically Hip profile page
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    "making them pay any additional money will plunge them into darkness"

    Having a member of their family fall ill if they have no insurance will plunge them into bankruptcy, and possibly, true poverty. It will be a lot more efficient for everyone if they don't have to go to an emergency room and rack up a $1500 bill for routine care. For the needy, there will be subsidies.

    This is not abstract theory. Massachusetts has had an almost identical system in place since the early 00's. RomneyCare almost equals ObamaCare.

    "What is the government going to do with all the penalties/tax they collect for those who don't have insurance?"

    The reality is that it's not going to be much money (the penalties are not high), and they're not going to have an easy time collecting said penalties. Once again, look toward the prototype in Massachusetts, where it's not much of an issue -- the vast majority of state residents are insured.
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  4. Visit  Tragically Hip profile page
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    Quote from Nurse Rob
    The more I read, the idea is premiums would go down because of the quantity of new policies would balance out the reduced premiums.
    That's what happened to my insurance when RomneyCare kicked in in Massachusetts. Of course, my insurance company didn't bother telling me that they didn't phase out the old plans, but introduced a slew of new plans under the new system. I switched to a plan that was virtually identical to the one I had. The old plan was due for a yearly increase, and its premiums were roughly double those of the new plan.

    That's right. My premiums were virtually halved. There were other factors in play in the Massachusetts switchover versus the ACA, but it's telling.
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  5. Visit  That Guy profile page
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    Ha. Cant wait to see this blow up in our faces. I dont see how this will help the issue at all.

    And I think that the quotes should go around 'rescue'
    Last edit by That Guy on Jun 28, '12
  6. Visit  java12 profile page
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    My husband is an orthopaedic surgeon. He has seen many patients from Canada. Such patients have chosen to leave their country and have surgery here because they have been on a waiting list for two years or more, to have a hip or knee replacement.
    The patients are in pain and cannot ambulate freely or live an active life. Unfortunately surgery is not available to them because their age or particular diagnosis is not a priority.

    Many of these patients are in their 40's and told they will simply have to wait. Unable to contend with their condition, they come to the states and pay out of pocket.
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  7. Visit  boomertx profile page
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    Quote from java12
    My husband is an orthopaedic surgeon. He has seen many patients from Canada. Such patients have chosen to leave their country and have surgery here because they have been on a waiting list for two years or more, to have a hip or knee replacement.
    The patients are in pain and cannot ambulate freely or live an active life. Unfortunately surgery is not available to them because their age or particular diagnosis is not a priority.

    Many of these patients are in their 40's and told they will simply have to wait. Unable to contend with their condition, they come to the states and pay out of pocket.
    I believe there will be more expensive plans you can choose if you wish more coverage than what Obamacare reguires in a basic plan. There is nothing in Obamacare that limits your choice of choosing a "premium" plan and it does not prevent you from seeking treatment outside the U.S. on your own dime. Kind of a high class problem in my view.
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  8. Visit  NRSKarenRN profile page
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    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jun 29, '12 : Reason: fixed link
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  9. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    democracy now! special: supreme court upholds healthcare overhaul, individual mandate

    ... amygoodman: karen higgins is standing outside the supreme court right now. she's a nurse and co-president of national nurses united. overall, it looks like the supreme court, with the support of chief justice roberts, has decided to uphold the patient protection and affordable care act, president obama's law. your response, karen higgins?

    karenhiggins: well, i think that--what i think this hopefully does is open the debate once again about, clearly, where are we going with healthcare. this bill is not healthcare. this bill is basically health insurance. it does not cover everybody in this country. there are millions of people that still do not have health insurance. it isn't, to us, going to make a difference. some people, you can mandate them to be insured, but if they can't afford it, if the discussion is, if i need to feed my children and put a roof over my head, you know what? i'm not going to have insurance, if those are going to be my priorities in an economy right now that is just devastating.

    so, what we hope is that this will open the door for us to really talk about, as we--you know, a true medicare-for-all system. we do this for our elderly. we take care of them when they're over 65. we've had this program for over 40 years. it's very cost-containing. it actually runs well. we think this needs to be expanded out for everyone in this country.

    the only ones that are making out, unfortunately, on this bill are insurance companies and drug companies. we still are going to see more and more people that i see coming into the ers, that end up in icus, where i work, because why? they couldn't afford medications. they couldn't go to a doctor, because they couldn't afford it. and these are people that have healthcare. you know, when you look at it with--between co-pays, deductibles, these are a large chunk of change to some people who are struggling every day to make ends meet. so, an opt of not going to a doctor because you can't afford those costs, you end up in an icu. this is not acceptable in this country.

    so, you know what? this happened, but what we really hope will come out of this is that we will now truthfully have a very strong debate on what is really healthcare in this country and what is health insurance, and what is the best thing for people in this country. and that would be true healthcare. ...

    watch democracy now! special: supreme court upholds healthcare overhaul, individual mandate
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  10. Visit  FORTHELOVEOF!!!! profile page
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    I am completely politically ignorant, I know how this will effect me personally but will someone tell me how it will effect nurses?
  11. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    Quote from NRSKarenRN
    I

    don't have a password for that link.
    Try this site:
    Supreme Court health care decision (full text) - The Washington Post
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jun 29, '12 : Reason: fixed link
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  12. Visit  mihaSK profile page
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    Quote from babyRN.
    I was ecstatic when I found out. My husband was disgruntled, however, only because we don't have single-payer health care like he does in the UK. I told him, baby steps, my dear.

    I'm just getting my UK nursing license now and spent quite a bit of time learning about their nationalized health care. It was quite fascinating. They even have a bill of rights document that specifically states that the care given to patients is not affected by their ability to pay. I nearly cried when I read that. Such a beautiful statement. They have their problems, of course, but it is still much better than our system.

    One of my best friends from high school had various health issues and talked to me about some serious GI symptoms she was experiencing on top of her asthma. I told her to go to the ER. "babyRN, I can't! I only need one more month before my insurance will kick in without pre-existing conditions. If I go now, I'll have to start all over again and I can't afford my insurance rates going up." Luckily, she's fine. But that is one of the most horrid things I've ever heard of and honestly, the Europeans have a right to look their noses down at us and ask Americans like me while taking my nursing course over there whether people really die in America because of lack of health care and aren't we ashamed of ourselves?

    Yep. Pretty ashamed. Until now...
    I don't agree. I am from Europe, lived there most of my life and decided to get my nursing degree in the States. I will never go back to their nationalized health care. What you read is not real, just bunch of the words to make them feel better about themselves. Ordinary people just suffer there.
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  13. Visit  simonemyheart profile page
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    I am so excited!!!!

    Health care is not a privilege it is a RIGHT!!!!

    Example - I just bought a brand new car, no driving hx and/or no previous accidents. I have NO choice but to buy car insurance because it is the law. If I get caught driving without insurance or an accident I have now racked up thousands of dollars in debt....................WITHOUT insurance - the car I hit is totaled and I have no way to pay for their car or mine, SO......what happens - the insurance company of the other car will have to pay to have their car fixed/replaced and will sue me for the money (which I don't have and most likely will never have). The other car's owner insurance rate will go up and to off set cost average prices for insurance will go up.

    WHY are premiums going up (at least one reason, I know there are others) - b/c I was irresponsible and did not buy car car insurance or bought it for one month so I could drive the car off the lot and then cancelled.

    Is the insurance companies taking away my constitutional rights by making me buy insurance. Is the state taking away my constitutional rights by imposing fines on me for not buying insurance. Is government/state taking away my constitutional rights by imposing my car...........I should have the right not to buy car insurance and pay the bill for the totaled car when it comes in the mail because I have $20,000 dollars in my bank account that I can't wait to give the insurance company.

    Just think if everyone bought car insurance and the premiums were lower I may have been able to afford to pay, right?

    I don't know if this law is going to be the saving grace to our health care problems but isn't is a start, isn't worth exploring? I mean we haven't tried it yet. I have tried several different ways to make my meatloaf and I am still trying to find a way to make it work.

    Now I know car insurance and health insurance or two different things. I know, I know, I know!!!!!! It was just a thought
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