Obamacare and Mark of Beast... wrong time to be a nurse?

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Hi, first I apologize if you're a non-Christian person, but since I am and this post is what concerns of, you're free to leave before you read, or discuss with me if you have feedback.

If you have been paying attention to newly passed Obamacare lately, you would notice there's a big fuss about the new care and its mandated requirement for all persons to receive a chip (I believe it was referred to as very chip, typeII, RFID) by 2013, which is the year I will graduate. Of course, I think that receiving the chip would be completely optional, considering that numbers of Christians in this country will certainly refute, but nevertheless, I believe that the countdown has begun for the mark 666. I don't really care too much about Obamacare itself, but the real problem to me is the chip part. Now it is pretty obvious that the hospitals will require nurses, along with physicians and others, to receive this chip in order to keep the job; I can just see that coming. But I don't believe in it, and I will not receive it; I probably leave to some other country.

I am actually pretty worried about this because studying to be a nurse is a back-breaking, lumbar-twisting process, and I hate to think that I have to flush all that effort down the toilet if that damn chip is required. Am I the only person worried about this? Anyways, this thread is not political; I like things both from GOP and Democratic party, but looks like I need to vote someone from GOP who will repeal or at least take out the chip part of the new law.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.

This is another reminder from the moderation team to please be nice to the person who originally posted this thread, regardless of the misinformation in the original post.

Thank you all for your anticipated cooperation. ;)

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Specializes in critical care.

doucheitall.com!!!!!!!!!

OP, some thoughts for you. If you hear something outrageous, no matter how reliable you think your source is, go to the original source to find the truth. Of course it sucks to look through hundreds of pages, but when you find the truth, won't you feel better knowing it?

A few months ago someone posted a story on fb about how they're using foreskins in skin cream. I thought it was ridiculous, the idea that hospitals would sell foreskins without consent from parents and without the knowledge of the general public. Anyway, I spent a big chunk of time learning the truth. Yes, there is a market for foreskins. Yes, it exists without the consent of the people/parents it has been removed from. Legally, our tissues have no owner once they are removed from our bodies. People have had illnesses that were studied extensively as a result of what they thought were routine blood draws. Companies can make millions from the breaks they have in that research, and the people who "participated" may not ever know. It's a big deal. BUT, the post on fb was only partially true. The tissues are used and sold for research, but they are not used as ingredients in skin creams. Not that I could find.

The moral of the stupidly long story: do your research before you fight your battles, no matter how lengthy the research. And if it sounds insane, chances are its not entirely true, if it's true at all.

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This is another reminder from the moderation team to please be nice to the person who originally posted this thread, regardless of the misinformation in the original post. Thank you all for your anticipated cooperation.

Thank you! While the first post did have ridiculous misinformation, some responses have seemed just barely shy of being uncivil.

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let me have my formed opinions too based on loosely organized articles

How can anyone going into a field that prides itself on evidence based practice feel that "loosely organized articles" are sufficient basis for an opinion? Judging by the fact that after many requests for your sources of this information, you have not produced them, I think you know they are entirely false. What I am amazed by though is that you still have an opinion about "the chip". It is a figment of overactive imaginations. And yet you choose to believe in it. That is just scary to me.

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Specializes in Emergency; med-surg; mat-child.

Legally, our tissues have no owner once they are removed from our bodies. People have had illnesses that were studied extensively as a result of what they thought were routine blood draws. Companies can make millions from the breaks they have in that research, and the people who "participated" may not ever know. It's a big deal. BUT, the post on fb was only partially true. The tissues are used and sold for research, but they are not used as ingredients in skin creams. Not that I could find.

Have you read The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks? Lots of discussion about this.

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Specializes in critical care.
Have you read The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks? Lots of discussion about this.
I haven't! But my grandmother sent it to me thinking I'd enjoy it. I have 2 kids and I'm starting nursing school. I warned her that it's going to be awhile! lol My biology text book had a photo of her cancer cells in the middle of mitosis. The photo was quite honestly beautiful. One day I'll get to that book.... :)
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Specializes in Emergency, Med-Surg, Progressive Care.

This is a thread more appropriate for this forum.

AboveTopSecret.com - Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Paranormal, Political Madness, and other "Alternative Topics"

Bring it up there and see if you get any conversation...lots of members are wearing tin-foil hats.

I don't want to crap on anyone's religion, but as a man of science and I see no compelling evidence to believe that there is a malevolent supernatural being who is attempting to take over the planet by requiring Americans to get RFID chips implanted in their bodies. Furthermore, the United States has a relatively small portion of the world's population. It's ethnocentric (in a bizarre way) to believe that happenings specific to your own country are spelling doom for the entire human race.

You probably have an RF transmitter in your ID badge. I know that I have one in mine. Without it, I can't punch in and out and get paid. Ergo, the world is going to come to a fiery end within the next few days.

As nurses, we should all know better than to encourage delusional thoughts.

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H.R. 3200 mentioned chips implanted into already implanted medical devices such as breast implants, pacemakers, artificial hips, etc. It doesn't matter though, because H.R. 3200 never made it out of the House...it was not passed.

However, a different bill (H.R. 3590) is a version of health care legislation that became law on March 23, 2010. In it were no requirements for any medical device registry or implanted chips.

In addition, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) doesn't mention anything about a chip. Here is the full text (although I don't think anyone wants to read it in its entirety).

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111pub... (Full text)

OR

http://docs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf (full text and amendments)

We don't have to worry about any Mark of the Beast just yet. If this healthcare bill did include a chip, the hospital would be the only institution who could use the information, right (correct me if I'm wrong)? The Mark of the Beast (which is a large in depth study in itself) would most likely be something that the government itself could track your every move OR used instead of credit cards (I guess the idea here is that a thief can't steal your "money" if it's in your arm). It won't be long before they start trying the real deal RFID chip...they do it in laboratories all the time and domestic animals obviously have it.

A tip for future study would be to stay on sites that are ".gov". You can't trust sites that are ".com" or wikipedia, so after viewing the opinion/bias, dig to find the true answers. The time is not yet, so keep that lamp unlit until the time comes. :)[url=http://docs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf][/url]

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Specializes in Home Care.

after a few glasses of wine this thread is starting to give me a headache. But like a trainwreck, I just can't help but look.

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Specializes in Cardiac and OR.

The only references regarding RFID chips that I could find were in articles that discussed the practice of rfid chips being implanted into passports and of course the REAL ID Act of 2005 (Bill Text - 109th Congress (2005-2006) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)). As a mother of a now teenaged boy, I joke that I wish I could get him "chipped" like the pets, but there is nothing on the books (legitimately) regarding implantation of rfid chips into the populace in general. I think this is another example of sound bytes and fear mongering taking the place of journalism and earnest pursuit of facts. I know many people who state that we are living in the end times, but the Bible states, "But about that day and about that hour no one knows, not even the Angels of Heaven, but The Father alone." So as weird, and strange and even at times, as frightening as life can be, I plan to just keep living and being the best person I can be.

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uh... no the school does not accept wikipedia. i said when it comes to school, i actually cite the work from credible sources because it is for grade; however, on here, i want to discuss and hear and learn, not write a extensive essay with workcited.

by the way, i researched some more online, and it seems that some people are calling it a hoax that gov requires people to get implant chips (because snope said so) and some others say snope is full of sh!t and some other sites state that on page 1004 of the bill, says that the new law requires people to receive an implant chip under their skins which tracks to personal bank information and others such as medical, financial, etc.

here's little quote from actual bill that I got: H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1.

The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the 'registry') to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that-- ''is or has been used in or on a patient; ''and is-- ''a class III device; or ''a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining."

honestly I don't know what to believe anymore. some say it's hoax and gov will not require people to get it, and some others do. what the hell?

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How can anyone going into a field that prides itself on evidence based practice feel that "loosely organized articles" are sufficient basis for an opinion? Judging by the fact that after many requests for your sources of this information, you have not produced them, I think you know they are entirely false. What I am amazed by though is that you still have an opinion about "the chip". It is a figment of overactive imaginations. And yet you choose to believe in it. That is just scary to me.

Because I separate school work and whatever I write here (which is not graded). And EBP changes all the time if you read the nursing journals; and you do have a point, maybe I am just believing it out of phobia just because some sites says so. I apologize for the people who got stirred emotionally over this.

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