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  1. Jun 28, '12 by
    Just want to understand how this 'great accomplishment' of Obama's will be funded :/
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  2. Jun 28, '12 by
    Quote from malamud69
    Yes...so much talk already that this is going to "give hospitals less...etc...thereby they will be hiring less and less people...a race to the bottom...blah blah blah" In what way do the people on the "right" explain this...everybody keeps saying that but none of them have any proof! If the system is now geared(in theory)to help more and more people...common sense( I use that lightly since we are dealing with businesses still) dictates that there will have to be more employees to meet the demand. The ceo's of all these major hospitals will just have to stop being so greedy! They are the ones causing this problem in our country in the first place...not the government. So to all you who feel that this is going to hurt us...tell us why...show us some proof...don't just echo what you heard on foxnewscorp!
    What you are going to see is what has been happening already in states such as MA and NY, more and more hospital mergers and vertical intergration of healthcare services.

    Insurance companies are buying hospitals, hospitals are buying insurance companies, large heathcare networks are growing bigger by purchasing more facilites.

    As for dictates that increased demand from more patients will equal expanded hiring, I shouldn't be so sure about that. Ask nurses in the UK and EU contries that have been living with some form or another of national healthcare about staffing, support, supplies and so forth.

    There aren't enough physicans or hospitals willing to treat Medicaid patients now, and this law actually cuts rates for that program. Indeed much of the savings from Obamacare come from expected reduced healthcare spending. This will mean something has got to give.
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  3. Jun 28, '12 by
    [color=#333333]nurse leaders happy with aca .nurse leaders happy with ruling on aca | national nursing news
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    although this article in the american journal of nursing was written in 2010, it gives a book breakdown of how the aca affects nurses. here's a just a snippet that addresses the question some of you have expressed about having enough people to handle the newly insured and how it will affect jobs.
    nurses and the affordable care act : ajn the american journal of nursing
    "nurses and the affordable care act

    a new grant program has also been established to fund community-based nurse-managed health centers that are operated and managed by qualified advanced practice nurses. in addition, the expected growth over the next few years of the federally supported health center system could increase its patient base to as many as 40 million people. nurses are already its single largest group of workers—more than 15,000 strong. more support for health centers means more people can access important primary care services. and more patients mean thousands of new nursing jobs, more nurse administrators, and more responsibility for nurses."



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  5. Jun 28, '12 by
    Hopefully, we will see improvements in health outcomes for US citizens as we continue on the path of reform. The objective of reform is not to increase profits or payments, the objective is to improve health care access and health outcomes for the people.

    I sat with several of my physician colleagues today over coffee and discussed this "surprise" ruling. They were all pleased that the ACA was preserved and they all hope for more comprehensive reform that removes "for profit" insurance out of the equation.
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  6. Jun 28, '12 by
    Quote from pearlcat1
    Just want to understand how this 'great accomplishment' of Obama's will be funded :/
    lol are you serious? Considering that it's basically a tax that was upheld today... well yes, I'm sure you can figure out how it will be funded... it involves taxing people who don't buy health insurance and then end up at the ED unable to pay, forcing the rest of us responsible people to foot the bill.
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  7. Jun 28, '12 by
    I hope everyone remembers public school. Now go back, remember it was consider something that if you wanted it you paid for it, than there was a ruling it would be available for all. How was it paid? Taxes. Healthcare needs to be available for all. We all pay taxes.
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  8. Jun 28, '12 by
    I'm a home health nurse. I like my job, but it doesn't pay much. Hubby works retail, and makes even less than me. His employer only offers a mini-med plan for hourly employees, and it covers less than a catastrophic plan would. I carry the insurance for both of us. I have my employer's second-cheapest plan; it's $5 more per week than the catastrophic plan, but it still costs $700/month. There are weeks when health insurance takes half of my paycheck.

    Ironically, we make so little we would qualify for my state's subsidized plan, but only if our COBRA ran out, which means dropping my employer's coverage, then paying double what we've been paying for 18 months.

    According to a calculator at the Washington Post's website, Obamacare subsidies would cut my family's health insurance cost by about 50%.
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  9. Jun 28, '12 by
    Quote from pearlcat1
    Just want to understand how this 'great accomplishment' of Obama's will be funded :/
    The same way unnecessary wars and bridges to nowhere are funded.
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  10. Jun 28, '12 by
    Folks, if ever there was a time for nurses to unionize, IT IS NOW!!

    If we do not organize, en masse, we WILL be cut from the equation. Hospitals will insist that they HAVE TO deskill nurses' professional practice, and hire HS Dropouts, at not much more than minimum wage, to do our jobs.

    We got cut out of the equation in the 1990's, with the advent of, "care re-design", and it has been down hill ever since. We have never recovered.

    It is great that the ANA thinks that Advanced Practice nurses will have it great. But what about the rest of us?

    We need to claim our piece of the pie NOW, before there is nothing left!!

    JMHO and my NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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