NURSING...the to die for career...hmm - page 5

Teachers, Police, Firefighters, Military, Government City/State and Nursing. What do they all have in common? Early Retirement Benefits! Whoopsies...all except for nursing. Whatsup with THAT....... Read More

  1. Visit  KelRN215 profile page
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Soon well be coming to work with our own benefits, Obamacare. Why not our own union with pension, early retirement and labor law protection....I'm loving this idea more and more it could definetly work!
    I'm not sure where you got this notion from, but you misunderstand the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Once the act takes effect, you will continue to receive health insurance through your employer. In fact, the act requires that employers with X number of FTEs (I believe the number is 50, in MA the number is 10) provide health insurance to their employees and penalizes those who do not. Your employer won't all of a sudden stop paying into health insurance for its employees and then all of a sudden have extra money to contribute to early retirement benefits. Plus, the PPACA does nothing for any of the other benefits you get through your employer such as dental insurance, paid time off, life insurance, short term and long term disability insurance, healthcare reimbursement accounts, etc. so no, you won't be "coming to work with your own benefits."
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  2. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    Why have we allowed ourselves to succumb to the "us vs. them" mentality of the political parties?
    All of us lower and middle classers are in the same boat...scrapping for an every shrinking piece of the American dollar
    ^This!!!
  3. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from SC_RNDude

    Wow. That isn't the answer I was expecting. I'm not sure what to think. As a 40ish, relatively new nurse, it has been a rare time I have run into "dead-wood" in my nursing career.

    Myabe I can help you "grow and evolve" a bit?

    Where do you think those public employees get their pensions from? You do realize that you and me are paying for it?

    How do you think private employers would provide pensions? They would have to cut wages and other benefits.

    I would rather not provide for someone else's retirement (ie. public employees) and would prefer to keep my wages and benefits and be responsible for my own retirement plan.


    I plan to "semi retire" in 30 years.

    I don't get the concept of what the OP's ideas either are when there are systems in place that can be improved, and the whole "rotation" of nurses, decreases healthy skill mix...
  4. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    As far as 'typical' abuses, there are laws for that. In the past three years, I have been reimbursed from previous employers for not reimbursing for OT, missed lunches, etc. WITHOUT a union. For jobs I had over five years ago. Don't like your working conditions? Call the labor board and make a formal complaint; if they are many who want make a formal complaint, there's strength in numbers.
    Yes, times are changing, HOWEVER, this can be done at a political level. Laws can and always been in place. It is always a CHOICE to have a voice.
    Wouldn't it be nice to NOT have to call the Labor Dept for missed OT, missed lunches and etc...have you EVER actually changed any policies at the political level? Typical abuses should even be able to be used in the same sentence, but there are many. I stand my ground... nurses need to expect and demand better
  5. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Quote from KelRN215

    I'm not sure where you got this notion from, but you misunderstand the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Once the act takes effect, you will continue to receive health insurance through your employer. In fact, the act requires that employers with X number of FTEs (I believe the number is 50, in MA the number is 10) provide health insurance to their employees and penalizes those who do not. Your employer won't all of a sudden stop paying into health insurance for its employees and then all of a sudden have extra money to contribute to early retirement benefits. Plus, the PPACA does nothing for any of the other benefits you get through your employer such as dental insurance, paid time off, life insurance, short term and long term disability insurance, healthcare reimbursement accounts, etc. so no, you won't be "coming to work with your own benefits."
    The ACA is set up differently in different States. In my State you can purchase a plan through the Exchanges that will offer several plans. Actually it looks like there is a nurses union that is growing quickly called the NNU that has: some of the same visions I have. If nurses band together on a National Level we get to demand better care for us AND our patients. There is power in numbers This is exciting!
  6. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Quote from SC_RNDude

    Wow. That isn't the answer I was expecting. I'm not sure what to think. As a 40ish, relatively new nurse, it has been a rare time I have run into "dead-wood" in my nursing career.

    Myabe I can help you "grow and evolve" a bit?

    Where do you think those public employees get their pensions from? You do realize that you and me are paying for it?

    How do you think private employers would provide pensions? They would have to cut wages and other benefits.

    I would rather not provide for someone else's retirement (ie. public employees) and would prefer to keep my wages and benefits and be responsible for my own retirement plan.
    When there are a group of nurses that have a mixture of new nurses and seasoned 20+yr nurses, that is a large diverse pool of nursing skills! Sounds like your still a little green SC and a national union that is OPTIONAL would be ideal for you
  7. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Wouldn't it be nice to NOT have to call the Labor Dept for missed OT, missed lunches and etc...have you EVER actually changed any policies at the political level? Typical abuses should even be able to be used in the same sentence, but there are many. I stand my ground... nurses need to expect and demand better
    ^It IS nice not to call the labor board. Again, missed lunches are dependent and relative...Where I work, there is constant staff turnover because of the patients we take care of...it can be emotionally draining, yet, everyone is able to take lunch, even though we are short staffed.

    I am very active in my state, and have worked with those individuals that have proposed improvements in practice. I am aware of the political process. I am also not proposing no skill mix, forcing people to retire, and I COMMAND RESPECT and have done so for the past 10+ years in healthcare, and have enjoyed my profession, and have gotten the respect I am supposed to. Nurses are empowering and never felt like I never had power. That may be the other issue that you may be struggling with, but don't lump others who KNOW the political power that we carry. His about YOU speak to those nursing individuals and join those orgs, instead of questing what I have done?? What have YOU done?

    These 'abuses' are also not solely in nursing as well. Corporate structure is in every profession, and are trying to cut corners. I'm satisfied with the structures in place, such as the labor board-another union creation, which is effective.

    Again, having a voice is a CHOICE, and for the posters who are "enlightening" including myself are empowered enough to KNOW the process, as well as giving you examples in the process.

    Have YOU fully assessed what is in place?

    If you feel as though it is not "good enough," carry on, but for every proposal you have, there is something in place to be used, as well as for you to take it upon yourself to get your breaks, say NO to OT, and be empowered in your profession.

    If you have the attitude that nurses ARE empowering, as I have, given the knowledge and the geographical area I live in as nurse DO the work, and are respected, then a lot of what you propose would be less, rather than more to the profession, ESPECIALLY your proposal to push our "experts" out of the field, since healthcare is a fluid, evolving profession.
  8. Visit  KelRN215 profile page
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    Quote from lkulmann
    The ACA is set up differently in different States. In my State you can purchase a plan through the Exchanges that will offer several plans. Actually it looks like there is a nurses union that is growing quickly called the NNU that has: some of the same visions I have. If nurses band together on a National Level we get to demand better care for us AND our patients. There is power in numbers This is exciting!
    Why would you want to purchase health insurance on your own and pay more for an inferior plan if you have the choice to get better benefits through your employer? And actually, all states are required to have these exchanges but this will not be the way the majority of people obtain health insurance. I am from the state that's healthcare reform law was the basis for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act- the exchange is set up for people who are self-employed or cannot get health insurance through their job. Even the cheapest plans on my state's health connector cost significantly more than the expensive plan I had through my last job and cover way less. I am not even eligible to purchase health insurance through this exchange because I am eligible for benefits through my employer. So your idea that "we'll all be coming to work with our own benefits" is still false. Employers will still be the primary method through which most people obtain health insurance.

    The NNU's vision is not to have individual nurses join and set up their own contracts with their employers.
  9. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from brownbook
    I don't understand much of anything about pensions, retirement, social security.

    When I was a young adult I assumed I and my husband would work, live within our means, save what we could, and, baring unforeseen circumstances, take care of ourselves in our "old age", i.e., retirement.

    Honest to God I thought social security was only for people who needed aid, I knew taxes were taken out of my paycheck but thought that money was for those in need, not for my retirement.

    Consequently my husband and I still live modestly, have a lot of money in our retirements accounts, and are doing fine thank you very much.

    Just saying......?


    PS I am a fiscally conservative bleeding heart democrat. I would be happy to have social security be means tested.
    My dh and I also lived frugally, worked hard, and saved for our retirement.
    About 10 years ago my dh had a medically urgent need, got surgery and a nice hospital stay with lots of after care that was ALL denied by our health insurance company.

    We survived this without bankrupcy BECAUSE we were frugal and lived within our means...of course, we no longer have a savings or retirement fund and are now in our early 60's and late 50's.

    Who knows what the future holds for each of us...
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  10. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Nursing is a job that carries so many responsibilities, high stress and imo are the backbone of healthcare. Bedside nurses run the clinical aspect of the patient care. We are there at the bedside 24/7. As I read through these threads I am sad for the new grads who feel unsupported and I feel even more so for the bedside nurses that get thrown under the bus...the nurses in Texas come to mind. It would be ideal for a nurse union to advocate and protect the nurses in the less fortunate situations. When you have these monster healthcare systems who are looking at the bottom line only, the unprotected nurse gets thrown under the bus especially to send a clear message to the rest of nursing. As time goes on and as time changes I hope to see nurses in the dame category as firefighters, police officers and the professions that enjoy the benefits of OPTIONAL early retirement, 20-25yr minimum eligibility and decent healthcare and pension. We deserve it. Its called respect, formal public respect
  11. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    Quote from lkulmann
    When there are a group of nurses that have a mixture of new nurses and seasoned 20+yr nurses, that is a large diverse pool of nursing skills! Sounds like your still a little green SC and a national union that is OPTIONAL would be ideal for you
    I'm new to nursing, that doesn't mean I'm green. I've been in the working world for 20+ years. This includes time in a union, time in management, experience as a state gov't employee, and time running my own business. I bet my experience gives me a much broader perspective on things then many nurses.

    I'm game though. I'll consider a union. Let me tell you about my current job first. I work at a major metropolitan hospital, which is also a Level I trauma center. I haven't been there a year yet, but already get 4 1/2 weeks PTO a year. I get paid for committee meetings, OT, training, etc.. I wish I was paid more (who doesn't), but I live in an area that many people desire to live in. However, it still affords me a pretty good quality of life,...just bought a new home, a new car a year ago, get to go on vacations, etc. My benefits are pretty good, including health insurance at a very fair price. I'm often asked to work extra shifts, but have never been forced too and have never felt threatened if I say no. In fact, in 10 months have probably worked 3 or 4. Staffing is good most of the time, at times good be better. My schedule is as requested probably 98% of the time, get reimbursed for education, get to be on committees that have a say in how our unit is run.

    So, now it's your turn. What would a union, especially a national union, do for me?

    I agree that the diverse pool of nurses is good. You are the one who wants to get rid of the experienced ones, based on a previous post of yours.
  12. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    SC...I'm so excited for your enthusiasm and that's how I actually felt my whole career. I know that feeling, but there are so many other nurses in not very good work environments. The same idea you express applies...the pay is good or the pension or whatever makes it worth it. That's how it starts. As you grow and become more seasoned you'll see that little by little those perks fade. Your salary is probably going to be as low as new hirees. Then the budget is mysteriously cut and you'll be working short more often. The changes are subtle and you learn to take on more and more. You'll start going without lunch. Your parking will no longer be free. A union will not allow those little changes. Remember non union workers are not protected at all. You may **** someone off and before you know it you can be out of a job. Female nurses are already getting put off that male nurses make more money and climb the corperate ladder quicker than woman. All I'm saying is that nurses are not united and therefore vulnerable if not protected by a union. My whole issue in this thread is that the typical union is not the best option. Nurses need a more tailored union to fit our needs so we are united and protected and the nursing profession would be the to die for career putting 20-25yrs of time in nursing and making it optional would be best, imo. No one likes to be forced to join anything. If you want to work in nursing for 50yrs go for it, but 20-25 should make you eligible for early retirement pension.
  13. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    We are not getting rid of experienced nurses...just cutting the deadwood nurses who really need to be elsewhere. You'll see

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