NURSING...the to die for career...hmm - page 2

Teachers, Police, Firefighters, Military, Government City/State and Nursing. What do they all have in common? Early Retirement Benefits! Whoopsies...all except for nursing. Whatsup with THAT....... Read More

  1. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    I couldn't have planned it better...
    This union needs members and nurses need unity....tadaaaa!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2828671.html
  2. Visit  nursej22 profile page
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    Unions are characterized as greedy, organized-crime thugs, and as such have lost favor with the public. More and more states have become right-to-work(for less) and are stripping away rights to bargain for better working conditions. So good luck convincing corporations who must maximize profits to hand over pensions to anyone.
  3. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Well the way I see it is on a national level. If you need nurses you need to agree to the union bylaws...almost like an Agency nurse.
    So, I live in CT. I contact the union to see who's hiring. Hospitals, nursing homes and all healthcare facilities deal directly with the union. So they say XYZ has xyz position. You apply you get the job and all that comes with it. Unions would focus on complaints, working conditions, benefits, and many other perks.
  4. Visit  ♪♫ in my ♥ profile page
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    Quote from Violach
    The people you mentioned all have great benefits because they are public employees and taxpayers foot the bill.
    And not all of them have 'great benefits.' My wife is a public school teacher and her district has decent benefits but nothing great (e.g. no family medical, no retirement medical...), and substantially worse than the nurses at our local HMO (who do have a defined benefit pension).
    Not all unionized employees receive pensions, ie. private industry employees.
    Some private industry employees do have defined-benefit pensions negotiated by their unions... case in point: Longshoremen and some of the big utilities... I had one at my first engineering employer.
    My husband is an airline pilot, unionized - no pension.
    Some airlines do, some don't... The legacies all did and still pull out of to PBGC.
    His union negotiates work rules, hourly pay, rest periods, etc.
    And they negotiate from a position of power not held by any public employee unions... specifically, under the railroad regulations, they operate under the terms of their last contract until a new contract is negotiated. Unless they go bankrupt (when the PBGC kicks in, of course), the pilots never have a contract worse than their last one since the airline cannot unilaterally change the terms under federal law.
    It depends on the industry and whether it is in the public/private sector.
    But again, while becoming more rare, there are still private pensions out there... only with the largest companies, though, and generally only those with significant unions.
    Personally, I have an issue with government employees being unionized, but I'll save that for another day.
    Don't blame the workers for asking, blame the management for giving...
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  5. Visit  brownbook profile page
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    I don't understand much of anything about pensions, retirement, social security.

    When I was a young adult I assumed I and my husband would work, live within our means, save what we could, and, baring unforeseen circumstances, take care of ourselves in our "old age", i.e., retirement.

    Honest to God I thought social security was only for people who needed aid, I knew taxes were taken out of my paycheck but thought that money was for those in need, not for my retirement.

    Consequently my husband and I still live modestly, have a lot of money in our retirements accounts, and are doing fine thank you very much.

    Just saying......?


    PS I am a fiscally conservative bleeding heart democrat. I would be happy to have social security be means tested.
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  6. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Soooo...early retirement pension...nurses should be eligible for the serve 20-25yrs and you are DONE pension. It would remedy several chronic problems in our profession. Competitiveness will never go away but it wouldn't be so passive aggressive. Old washed up nurse managers can go...give new nurses and seasoned nurses opportunities to keep the profession up to date and progressive. Nurses could share their knowledge and experience freely and not worry that she will be replaced by newer nurses who have a more up to date education etcetera.. Nurses need to unite and unionized. There is power in numbers.
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  7. Visit  timmedico profile page
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    Because nobody wants a good nurse to retire, especially early!
  8. Visit  Violach profile page
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    Wow...breaking apart my entire post... really? Do you have a lot of free time on your hands? I never said ALL public employees receive great benefits, nor did I say that all private sector employees do not. But generally speaking, government employees do receive better benefits than private sector employees. By the way, most airlines, both majors and regionals, have phased out pensions or are in the process of doing so. My husband and I worked in the industry for many years, so please refrain from trying to school me. Don't blame the workers for asking? Did you see the recent protests that took place in Michigan when it became a RTW state? Or how about the union members that protested in Wisconsin? I would hardly call that "asking."
  9. Visit  Violach profile page
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    Looking back, I realize I did say "all," but that is not what I meant. I was trying to generalize.
  10. Visit  lkulmann profile page
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    Well these big organizations can offer discounted rates on anything when they have group rates. 401,403, healthcare, auto, movie tickets and on and on and on...most important protection and representation. How many nurses in the US. And of course union dues or not if you choose not to join....
  11. Visit  ♪♫ in my ♥ profile page
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    Quote from Violach
    Wow...breaking apart my entire post... really?
    Yep, really. It makes it much easier to see those statements to which I'm replying.
    Do you have a lot of free time on your hands?
    Not particularly... I'm just very adept.
    I never said ALL public employees receive great benefits, nor did I say that all private sector employees do not.
    Well, I guess you realize now.
    But generally speaking, government employees do receive better benefits than private sector employees.
    Often times, yes... sometimes, no... that's the problem with generalizing.
    By the way, most airlines, both majors and regionals, have phased out pensions or are in the process of doing so. My husband and I worked in the industry for many years, so please refrain from trying to school me.
    Mostly what I'm doing is adding to the posting so that those reading it don't walk away with more complete information.
    Don't blame the workers for asking? Did you see the recent protests that took place in Michigan when it became a RTW state? Or how about the union members that protested in Wisconsin? I would hardly call that "asking."
    Wisconsin was about a response to a dramatic change done for political purposes... evidence: cops and FF are exempt... And yes, mass protests are "asking."

    I will say that I find it hypocritical when people who benefit from unions criticize others who also do.
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  12. Visit  elkpark profile page
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Soooo...early retirement pension...nurses should be eligible for the serve 20-25yrs and you are DONE pension. It would remedy several chronic problems in our profession. Competitiveness will never go away but it wouldn't be so passive aggressive. Old washed up nurse managers can go...give new nurses and seasoned nurses opportunities to keep the profession up to date and progressive. Nurses could share their knowledge and experience freely and not worry that she will be replaced by newer nurses who have a more up to date education etcetera.. Nurses need to unite and unionized. There is power in numbers.
    Again, I'm not sure how you arrived at the idea that nurses should be able to get this when even the occupations who have traditionally had the "20-25 years and you're done" plans are losing them. It's just not gonna happen, even with unionization.
    salvadordolly, Rose_Queen, Altra, and 2 others like this.
  13. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    Quote from jrwest
    Maybe the Hospital CEO's hope you die so they don't have to pay any retirement.....
    Yes and with the chronic understaffing, lack of breaks and extended shifts, the CEO's are trying to ensure you die. Doesn't it strike you as odd that while promoting health we actually forfeit our own health?
    salvadordolly and KelRN215 like this.

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