NURSING...the to die for career...hmm - page 5

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Teachers, Police, Firefighters, Military, Government City/State and Nursing. What do they all have in common? Early Retirement Benefits! Whoopsies...all except for nursing. Whatsup with THAT.... Anyone?... Read More


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    The purpose of unions is collective bargaining, as there is strength in numbers. You can dream, but unions mean you're all in or you're all out. It would never work having union and non union nurses working at the same facility, because neither the employer nor the employees would benefit. The employer would choose to go non-union, and the unionized nurses would have virtually no power. There is no in between. It's either a unionized facility or it isn't.
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    I couldn't have planned it better...
    This union needs members and nurses need unity....tadaaaa!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2828671.html
    This is an idea and it requires thinking outside of the box. In the above article AFL-CIO is looking for a change in the way unions are perceived and changing the current model. Nurses could use this to our advantage. WE make the rules. WE call the shots. If the nurse who chooses not to join this national union, that nurse can be abused and used and tossed to the curb. No break, no lunch, 6-8 patients, No OT and on and on...that facility will soon have the reputation of treating their nurses bad and poor pt care because the nurses are always short staffed over 'there' nurses will join trust me, they'll join.
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    Soon well be coming to work with our own benefits, Obamacare. Why not our own union with pension, early retirement and labor law protection....I'm loving this idea more and more it could definetly work!
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Soon well be coming to work with our own benefits, Obamacare. Why not our own union with pension, early retirement and labor law protection....I'm loving this idea more and more it could definetly work!
    I don't think Obamacare is the answer for benefits. I'm glad you are loving your idea more and more but there have been plenty of nurses who are trying right now. While it is great to think big or go home.....change is slow. Many nurses know that they will lose their jobs and won't join you.

    I have seen hospitals spend thousands, thousands, of doollars for consultants to "improve employee satisfaction" which translates to union busting. I have sat in administrative meetings when the "troublemakers" are listed, talked about, and targeted for termination.

    I wish you the best.
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    Ahh...now I see where this is going. Honestly I know little to nothing about unions or union busting in the current sense of the terms. Its all political BS and money games. What I want is protection from the 'typical' abuses that we deal with no lunch, better working conditions competent coworkers and management. This is not a power 'thing' for political silliness. I think I can make up my own mind about voting. Times are changing and nurses need to organize for the profession it should be and the respect we deserve.
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Ahh...now I see where this is going. Honestly I know little to nothing about unions or union busting in the current sense of the terms. Its all political BS and money games. What I want is protection from the 'typical' abuses that we deal with no lunch, better working conditions competent coworkers and management. This is not a power 'thing' for political silliness. I think I can make up my own mind about voting. Times are changing and nurses need to organize for the profession it should be and the respect we deserve.
    Well, healthcare, for the past 15 years has been political BS and money games when they decided to be cornered by the corporate market by being a 24-hour business...they saw the potential to make BILLIONS by making the bottom line, and they have been successful at it.

    As far as 'typical' abuses, there are laws for that. In the past three years, I have been reimbursed from previous employers for not reimbursing for OT, missed lunches, etc. WITHOUT a union. For jobs I had over five years ago. Don't like your working conditions? Call the labor board and make a formal complaint; if they are many who want make a formal complaint, there's strength in numbers. The history of the union moving helped create such boards to have people investigate and if proven, will reimburse. At my former job, there was a complaint, and they came out within two weeks. The other nuances, such as bathroom breaks and lunch are relative, because I find a way to get one. I also worked at places where either you found a way, communicated and trade off with another nurse, or a clinical resource nurse took over. The onus is on the nurse, because in theory we should be adept at planning care, even for ourselves.


    Yes, times are changing, HOWEVER, this can be done at a political level. Laws can and always been in place. It is always a CHOICE to have a voice.

    For me, I do not want to be in the position like Massachusetts That is a recipe for disaster. I think it would strangle my advocacy, and that is a NO DEAL for ME.
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    Quote from lkulmann
    This is an idea and it requires thinking outside of the box. In the above article AFL-CIO is looking for a change in the way unions are perceived and changing the current model. Nurses could use this to our advantage. WE make the rules. WE call the shots. If the nurse who chooses not to join this national union, that nurse can be abused and used and tossed to the curb. No break, no lunch, 6-8 patients, No OT and on and on...that facility will soon have the reputation of treating their nurses bad and poor pt care because the nurses are always short staffed over 'there' nurses will join trust me, they'll join.
    If they have a reputation of treating nurses bad and poor pt care, they will have to change their ways or be out of business. So, with HCHPS and VPB, unions will become even more obsolete.

    I'm curious. More then once in your posts you have mentioned unions getting for you an EARLY retirement. It is scary how deep in trouble our country is getting in because so many people believe they are entitled to be cared for by others. I would love to know why you think your employer should be responsible not only for your retirement, but a early retirement???
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    It would be nice if they had 30 and out, like some of the other non nursing union jobs I've had.

    But I suppose that the "companies "would rather just can the 50 y/o and up , and just replace everyone with younger cheaper workers anyway,not having to worry about retirement pensions.

    I'm sure they hope we die beforehand so they wouldn't have to pay any pensions anyway.
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    Quote from SC_RNDude

    If they have a reputation of treating nurses bad and poor pt care, they will have to change their ways or be out of business. So, with HCHPS and VPB, unions will become even more obsolete.

    I'm curious. More then once in your posts you have mentioned unions getting for you an EARLY retirement. It is scary how deep in trouble our country is getting in because so many people believe they are entitled to be cared for by others. I would love to know why you think your employer should be responsible not only for your retirement, but a early retirement???
    Well this is my logic. First, many public first responders and healthcare workers have that early retirement pension. Nursing fits nicely into that category. It doesn't mean you retire at that age, you collect at retirement age. The second reason and more important IMO, is getting the old dead wood management staff out and the senior nurses out after training the new grad nurses. Keeps it moving growing evolving... science changes.There are new grad that need jobs leaving posts everywhere on this site. They can't get hired BC they have no experience...that's laughable. Old staff out new staff in.
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Well this is my logic. First, many public first responders and healthcare workers have that early retirement pension. Nursing fits nicely into that category. It doesn't mean you retire at that age, you collect at retirement age. The second reason and more important IMO, is getting the old dead wood management staff out and the senior nurses out after training the new grad nurses. Keeps it moving growing evolving... science changes.There are new grad that need jobs leaving posts everywhere on this site. They can't get hired BC they have no experience...that's laughable. Old staff out new staff in.
    Again, some older, long-time public employees still have the "early retirement" pension programs, but those are being eliminated right and left for newer employees in those occupations. It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to talk employers of nurses into starting a program like that when the organizations/occupations that have had them in the past are doing away with them. The trend is clearly away from those kinds of programs, and has been for some time.

    And plenty of us older nurses not only have no intention of going anywhere (retirement) any time soon, but don't care to be told that we have some sort of obligation to get out of the way so younger nurses can have our jobs. We are not all burned out or "dead wood." I am much more active in continuing education and growing/developing professionally than most of the younger nurses I know.
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