NURSING...the to die for career...hmm - page 3

by lkulmann 9,684 Views | 93 Comments

Teachers, Police, Firefighters, Military, Government City/State and Nursing. What do they all have in common? Early Retirement Benefits! Whoopsies...all except for nursing. Whatsup with THAT.... Anyone?... Read More


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    Wow...breaking apart my entire post... really? Do you have a lot of free time on your hands? I never said ALL public employees receive great benefits, nor did I say that all private sector employees do not. But generally speaking, government employees do receive better benefits than private sector employees. By the way, most airlines, both majors and regionals, have phased out pensions or are in the process of doing so. My husband and I worked in the industry for many years, so please refrain from trying to school me. Don't blame the workers for asking? Did you see the recent protests that took place in Michigan when it became a RTW state? Or how about the union members that protested in Wisconsin? I would hardly call that "asking."
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    Looking back, I realize I did say "all," but that is not what I meant. I was trying to generalize.
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    Well these big organizations can offer discounted rates on anything when they have group rates. 401,403, healthcare, auto, movie tickets and on and on and on...most important protection and representation. How many nurses in the US. And of course union dues or not if you choose not to join....
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    Quote from Violach
    Wow...breaking apart my entire post... really?
    Yep, really. It makes it much easier to see those statements to which I'm replying.
    Do you have a lot of free time on your hands?
    Not particularly... I'm just very adept.
    I never said ALL public employees receive great benefits, nor did I say that all private sector employees do not.
    Well, I guess you realize now.
    But generally speaking, government employees do receive better benefits than private sector employees.
    Often times, yes... sometimes, no... that's the problem with generalizing.
    By the way, most airlines, both majors and regionals, have phased out pensions or are in the process of doing so. My husband and I worked in the industry for many years, so please refrain from trying to school me.
    Mostly what I'm doing is adding to the posting so that those reading it don't walk away with more complete information.
    Don't blame the workers for asking? Did you see the recent protests that took place in Michigan when it became a RTW state? Or how about the union members that protested in Wisconsin? I would hardly call that "asking."
    Wisconsin was about a response to a dramatic change done for political purposes... evidence: cops and FF are exempt... And yes, mass protests are "asking."

    I will say that I find it hypocritical when people who benefit from unions criticize others who also do.
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Soooo...early retirement pension...nurses should be eligible for the serve 20-25yrs and you are DONE pension. It would remedy several chronic problems in our profession. Competitiveness will never go away but it wouldn't be so passive aggressive. Old washed up nurse managers can go...give new nurses and seasoned nurses opportunities to keep the profession up to date and progressive. Nurses could share their knowledge and experience freely and not worry that she will be replaced by newer nurses who have a more up to date education etcetera.. Nurses need to unite and unionized. There is power in numbers.
    Again, I'm not sure how you arrived at the idea that nurses should be able to get this when even the occupations who have traditionally had the "20-25 years and you're done" plans are losing them. It's just not gonna happen, even with unionization.
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    Quote from jrwest
    Maybe the Hospital CEO's hope you die so they don't have to pay any retirement.....
    Yes and with the chronic understaffing, lack of breaks and extended shifts, the CEO's are trying to ensure you die. Doesn't it strike you as odd that while promoting health we actually forfeit our own health?
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    Never say never elkpark! Something HAS to give!
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Never say never elkpark! Something HAS to give!
    ^ I have to agree with elkpark.

    While I've have been surrounded by family members that worked for the federal and state government and have pretty good benefits, I can't see the consensus rolling in our favor for all. I am pro-union; from the standpoint of protecting employees and making employers accountable did following the laws that helped create proper working hours, FMLA, protection of retirement benefits if they go bankrupt, etc.

    At this point, IMO, that unions can be an effective force in making sure a work life balance while being able to live comfortably, HOWEVER, the onus is being an advocate. I have been an independent contractor (1099'er) for the 7 of 8 years U have been a nurse, as well as worked as a w-2'er. I took advantage while young and no pre-existing conditions to obtain my own medical insurance, start a retirement account, savings plan, etc. I had an unfortunate accident which set me back about 5 years ago, so I'm sure a "collective body" could've helped me while I was convalescing, instead of the nursing orgs whom couldn't help me because I was NOT an RN (still have the letter-I was a LPN then), as well as ran out of money to give me a hardship grant.

    Fast forward to now, I work where there are unionized employees, but nurses are not considered eligible because of our capacity to be supervisors. We have excellent benefits, 403 (c) retirement, part time employees are eligible for health insurance, discounts, as well as a pension after 5 years. Paid time leave accrues as soon as one starts; tons of work-life balance support, tuition assistance, scholarships, and advancement. All the things I hear that was a part of many employees and now if lucky, for a few thousand, instead of millions.

    These benefits should not be for a few, but until costs of living factors are considered and attainable-truly attainable where there is not a huge disparity in terms where it's related to debt-revenue sources, then it can happen...
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    Quote from lkulmann
    Never say never elkpark! Something HAS to give!
    Elkpark is right on the money, here. What has to give?

    The reality is that nurses are fairly easy and inexpensive to train (as compared to pilots, for example), the barrier to entry, ADN or BSN, is not that high, and at worst, they're very easy to import.

    I don't know how old you are, lkulmann, nor how long you've been a nurse, but from a seasoned perspective I'll say that you're kidding yourself.

    NEVER going to happen. NEVER.

    (Nor do I think it *should*, for that matter)
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    Well there are a few links in this thread that say otherwise. NNU is trying to organize and the AFL-CIO is looking for a new model for unionization. Most nurses are frustrated as hell and want to change careers once they come into the real world of nursing. OBAMACARE is going to change everything and I am
    Completely onboard... Nurses need unity and union representation empowerment and standardization


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