Making Room at America's Inn for All God's Children - page 5

Making Room at America's Inn for All God's Children -- Marian Wright Edelman ..."For Christians, another holy advent season is upon us. People of all faiths are reflecting on things done and... Read More

  1. by   Tweety
    Please let's remember to discuss the topic and not each other. We're all entitled to our opinions and they should be respected. What is logical and a nobrainer to one poster could not be to another who reads the same post and comes to an entirely different conclusion. Good to clear the air, but shouldn't get personal. Good job.
  2. by   HM2VikingRN
    Nobody makes it in America completely on their own.....
  3. by   MBANurse
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Nobody makes it in America completely on their own.....

    On their own with help from friends and family is different from "on the government teat"
  4. by   CRNA2007
    How many should have made it after the 6 trillion dollars wasted on the war on poverty? Utilizing assistance to make it Amercia and being a parasite on the backs of the American taxpayer are two very different things altogether. Of course the left finds it so easy to pay lip service to a problem than to actually pay the bill out of their own pocket.




    Quote from HM2Viking
    Nobody makes it in America completely on their own.....
  5. by   HeyJude
    Quote from CRNA2007
    How many should have made it after the 6 trillion dollars wasted on the war on poverty? Utilizing assistance to make it Amercia and being a parasite on the backs of the American taxpayer are two very different things altogether. Of course the left finds it so easy to pay lip service to a problem than to actually pay the bill out of their own pocket.
    I'm not so sure that's a fair statement to make, especially that last sentence. Some of us don't like to brag about what we give of our own time, effort, and money to help others out. How do you know, then, that those of us who want universal healthcare are just paying 'lip service'?

    Once I spent my Christmas Eve picking up an undocumented Mexican immigrant with a fatal illness from his (squalid) house and driving him to the hospital for a Neulasta shot, and driving him back home. No one reimbursed me gas or mileage, and no one paid me extra to do it. And that was fine with me. Someone else might ask what we're doing providing an 'illegal immigrant' with a Neulasta injection on our tax dollars. How can we, as a 'shining light on a hill', NOT help people who haven't the good grace to be born with all the tools in their toolbox that we have in ours? I've donated my time, money, and prayers to homeless shelters, prison ministries, crisis pregnancy centers, worldwide missions, and other organizations. I'm a Christian, and my Christ says for me to love my neighbor as myself.

    Think what you want about the above, but you can't say I don't put my money where my mouth is. I just don't trumpet it from every street corner.
  6. by   MBANurse
    Quote from HeyJude
    I'm not so sure that's a fair statement to make, especially that last sentence. Some of us don't like to brag about what we give of our own time, effort, and money to help others out. How do you know, then, that those of us who want universal healthcare are just paying 'lip service'?

    Once I spent my Christmas Eve picking up an undocumented Mexican immigrant with a fatal illness from his (squalid) house and driving him to the hospital for a Neulasta shot, and driving him back home. No one reimbursed me gas or mileage, and no one paid me extra to do it. And that was fine with me. Someone else might ask what we're doing providing an 'illegal immigrant' with a Neulasta injection on our tax dollars. How can we, as a 'shining light on a hill', NOT help people who haven't the good grace to be born with all the tools in their toolbox that we have in ours? I've donated my time, money, and prayers to homeless shelters, prison ministries, crisis pregnancy centers, worldwide missions, and other organizations. I'm a Christian, and my Christ says for me to love my neighbor as myself.

    Think what you want about the above, but you can't say I don't put my money where my mouth is. I just don't trumpet it from every street corner.
    I think that your story was great. Right up until US tax dollars were spent to treat someone who was in the country illegally. That sends a signal of break the law... and get rewarded.

    I am glad that you donate your time, effort and money. That is what charity is all about. That is what charity should be about. It should not be tax me and give to someone else. I honestly believe that charitable contributions would go up and people would be more helpful if they were able to choose to help... As it stands; many common blue collar Americans resent the fact that monies that they have worked hard to earn in turn gets doled out to those that are on the government teat. It is bad enough that there are American citizens that do it... it really aggravates me when folks who not only not Americans; but have broken the law to get here and continue to break it by staying here... get the dollars.
  7. by   HeyJude
    Quote from MBANurse
    I think that your story was great. Right up until US tax dollars were spent to treat someone who was in the country illegally. That sends a signal of break the law... and get rewarded.

    I am glad that you donate your time, effort and money. That is what charity is all about. That is what charity should be about. It should not be tax me and give to someone else. I honestly believe that charitable contributions would go up and people would be more helpful if they were able to choose to help... As it stands; many common blue collar Americans resent the fact that monies that they have worked hard to earn in turn gets doled out to those that are on the government teat. It is bad enough that there are American citizens that do it... it really aggravates me when folks who not only not Americans; but have broken the law to get here and continue to break it by staying here... get the dollars.
    He was hardly being rewarded. I'm sure if he'd had his druthers, he'd have rather not been raped and infected with HIV and not needed the Neulasta to begin with.

    Go, live in his country for an hour, see what it's like to try and get here legally (impossible), and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing he did. Until you have had dealings with INS/ICE yourself, you kind of lose your right to tell people from Third World countries what they should and shouldn't be doing to make things better for themselves.

    You are testing fate when you do that, friend.

    And speaking of 'my tax dollars', frankly I don't want mine used to finance a senseless war, 'domestic surveillance', and marble bathrooms for Congress.
  8. by   MBANurse
    Quote from HeyJude
    He was hardly being rewarded. I'm sure if he'd had his druthers, he'd have rather not been raped and infected with HIV and not needed the Neulasta to begin with.

    Go, live in his country for an hour, see what it's like to try and get here legally (impossible), and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing he did. Until you have had dealings with INS/ICE yourself, you kind of lose your right to tell people from Third World countries what they should and shouldn't be doing to make things better for themselves.

    You are testing fate when you do that, friend.

    And speaking of 'my tax dollars', frankly I don't want mine used to finance a senseless war, 'domestic surveillance', and marble bathrooms for Congress.
    To bring it back to the topic of socialized medicine...

    So we have to pay for those that will not work here... and accept all those that come here from outside... Great.

    Sorry.. not a citizen or at least a legal resident... NO TREATMENT.... or if you get treatment you immediately go home.
    Last edit by MBANurse on Jan 14, '08
  9. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from MBANurse
    To bring it back to the topic of socialized medicine...

    So we have to pay for those that will not work here... and accept all those that come here from outside... Great.

    Sorry.. not a citizen or at least a legal resident... NO TREATMENT.... or if you get treatment you immediately go home.
    Where did it say this man doesn't work? Where I live, many undocumented workers live in squalid housing. There aren't enough Americans to scrub toilets or pick produce for the wages that these people are paid. As for them going "home", if this is where they live, then this is their home, legal or not.
  10. by   MBANurse
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Where did it say this man doesn't work? Where I live, many undocumented workers live in squalid housing. There aren't enough Americans to scrub toilets or pick produce for the wages that these people are paid. As for them going "home", if this is where they live, then this is their home, legal or not.
    There are enough Americans... we have all those on welfare. And if he has to be picked up and driven to a hospital then it is doubtful that he is able to work.

    And if 'home' is here... then I guess we should deport them.
  11. by   ElvishDNP
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    Last edit by ElvishDNP on Jan 14, '08 : Reason: never mind
  12. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from MBANurse
    There are enough Americans... we have all those on welfare. And if he has to be picked up and driven to a hospital then it is doubtful that he is able to work.

    And if 'home' is here... then I guess we should deport them.
    It sounds to me like you're jumping to conclusions again. You have no way of knowing whether he could work or not. Maybe he had to be picked up because he didn't have a car!
  13. by   HeyJude
    Quote from MBANurse
    And if 'home' is here... then I guess we should deport them.
    I don't think that's going to happen.
    1) Whose tax dollars are we going to use to send them home? 'Home' is not just Mexico. It's Jamaica, the UK, Russia, China, South Africa, Jordan, Venezuela, and you name the country. Whose tax dollars are we going to use to fly all those people back to their countries of origin, when we are already trillions of dollars in debt?

    2) Less than a million people as were stranded in NOLA after Katrina - people waving their arms, standing on the roofs of their houses - and we couldn't get them out of there? Less than a million people, maybe even less than half a million, and we couldn't get them out of a relatively small space. Getting 12-20 million out of the entire USA - 20 million people who aren't exactly jumping around going "Take me!" - getting them all out of here is just not going to happen. It sounds really good on paper, but that's about it.

    The bottom line for me is helping my fellow man. I agree that individuals should help each other. Government is made of individuals, and as a government we can help one another....immigration reform, healthcare, whatever the cause.

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