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No. 10
Old May 07, 2009, 04:03 PM
Updated May 07, 2009 at 04:08 PM by MattiesMama

Default Re: LPN's and unions...help me understand
Originally Posted by NRSKarenRN View Post
iv) requiring knowledge of an advanced type in a field of science or learning customarily acquired by a prolonged course of specialized intellectual instruction and study in an institution of higher learning or a hospital, as distinguished from a general academic education or from an apprenticeship or from training in the performance of routine mental, manual, or physical processes.


LPN education is considered to be at introductory nursing level; duration averages 12 months of FT study, not a prologed course so does not meet the above definition.

Don't shoot the messenger....
(was LPN charge nurse night shift for 5 years, started as charge 2 months post graduation on 26 bed medical/respiratory unit--just me and the 2 aides who were my right arms and taught me the ropes!)
It is probobly different with every school...all I know is my nursing program is 15 months long, we have class M-W, 8am-2:30pm, and on Thurs and Fri we have clinical from 6:45 am-2:15pm. We have an average of 3-5 hours of homework and/or studying a night and that is a conservative guess... I've been in school for about 4 months and I've already learned how every type of cell, organ, and body system operates, and how the pathophysiology of disease will affect them. I've learned (and been tested on) every vitamin and mineral that the body needs in order to function, what can cause deficiencies or toxic levels, what lab values indicate a deficiency or toxic level, what symptoms present with a too-high or too-low value, what can result from adverse values, what conditions co-occur with these adverse values, and what interventions are needed if any of these situations...And today, I learned to debride a stage 4 pressure ulcer. I could go on and on, but I think you get what I'm saying It's not an advanced degree program, but I don't think you could describe that as being "trained to perform routine manual, mental or physical tasks"
Isn't letting the labor laws get away with describing it as such demeaning to ALL nurses?
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No. 11
from herring_RN
Old May 07, 2009, 04:17 PM
Updated May 07, 2009 at 10:26 PM by NRSKarenRN

Default Re: LPN's and unions...help me understand
Originally Posted by MattiesMama View Post
It is probobly different with every school...all I know is my nursing program is 15 months long, we have class M-W, 8am-2:30pm, and on Thurs and Fri we have clinical from 6:45 am-2:15pm. We have an average of 3-5 hours of homework and/or studying a night and that is a conservative guess... I've been in school for about 4 months and I've already learned how every type of cell, organ, and body system operates, and how the pathophysiology of disease will affect them. I've learned (and been tested on) every vitamin and mineral that the body needs in order to function, what can cause deficiencies or toxic levels, what lab values indicate a deficiency or toxic level, what symptoms present with a too-high or too-low value, what can result from adverse values, what conditions co-occur with these adverse values, and what interventions are needed if any of these situations...And today, I learned to debride a stage 4 pressure ulcer. I could go on and on, but I think you get what I'm saying It's not an advanced degree program, but I don't think you could describe that as being "trained to perform routine manual, mental or physical tasks"
Isn't letting the labor laws get away with describing it as such demeaning to ALL nurses?
I'm so glad you are enthusiastic with your tough schedule.
I was an LVN for many years before going back to school.
LVN school was much more difficult partly because there is SO MUCH information to learn in too little time.

I found my ADN and BSN programs much easier. I think anyone who can finish LVN/LPN school can be an RN if they want to and circumstances allow.
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No. 12
from navvet
Old May 17, 2009, 02:16 AM

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To: Matties Moma, thankyou for pointing out All that applies to LPN in the afore stated Labor Law statutes. I agree. But, look at the revision date. 1988. This was probably Profit and Politically Motivated ( isn't everything). Just about that time + - a few years CNA's and MA's were just begining to come about and most had to have some sort of organized training (certificate) Granted I have not researched the aforementioned statement. Does it not seem odd, that now, most LPN's are relagated to LTC and home health care agencies? Don't forget that the ANA amongst others, all lobby congress in Washington, to get that win win deal for both the REGISTERED nurse and the Corporations of the Health Care Industry. Crap rolls down hill. Dr. to Dr. "She/He is just a Nurse". RN to RN "She/He is just an LPN". LPN to LPN "She/He is just a CNA or MA. Get my drift. The funny thing is, while LPN's are being pushed out of the hopitals to save MONEY and FACE. The Baby Boomer Gen. Will be needing a lot of LPN's in the next ten to twenty years. And I don't know of Any LTC, that will be willing to pay a staff of ALL RN's to run their facility when they can pay LPN's $5.00 to $10.00 less. I dare say, that those who eat their young and play on the steps of the Capitol, may have shot themselves in the foot due to Vanity. IMO
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