Is Racism a Fixture of Nursing Academia? - page 8

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  1. by   Q.
    Originally posted by KBaldwinLVN
    Why is it that whenever a person of color states the word "Rascism", People (Caucasians mostly) like to duck-and-dodge or minimize its truth by replying "I won't get into that", "Enough hurting going on" or some other bah-humbug comment?
    And you know each poster's ethnicity exactly.......how????

    And you posted this:
    Racsism is alive and well in America, and it doesn't have boundaries as to where it will thrive.
    And then said in the same breath:
    And whoever posted "I've been a victim of racsism by being white..." Dayum. That proves how ignorant we can be with our attitudes towards racsism.
    .

    To me, these statements seem contradictory. Racism knows no boundaries, EXCEPT for the evil white folk, huh? Oh I forgot...I am white therefore I had everything handed to me.
    Don't presume to know my experiences. Please. You obviously have no FLIPPIN CLUE and your remarks to ME border on racism.
  2. by   NurseAngie
    LOVE THAT, BOB!!!

    Happy Nursing~Angie
  3. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER


    Darling, I do well on any thread here.

    I was posting my opinion, which I have as much of a right to do on any thread here that I choose, or am I wrong?

    Welcome to the boards. I look forward to reading your input on some of the other, fluffier, threads.

    Heather

    (Ducking daggars....) Sorry my original post wasn't clear ...I was agreeing with what you said. I agree that if someone wants a topic to "die" or "go away", maybe its time for them to "go away" instead. there are pleanty of other threads, instead of invalidating others responses and interests in that particular thread. It seems as if that's what you where saying, and I agreed.
  4. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    The person you quoted wasn't me. It was someone else's response to my "why do we have to beat a dead horse" remark.

    Heather
  5. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by TCW
    To KBaldwinRN, I don't mean to single you out, but I just needed a little clarification: Are you stating that racism only happens to people of color by white people and that white people cannot be discriminated against?

    I think Spike Lee said years ago that Black people can't be racist because we aren't in a position to deny white people jobs, promotions, housing, etc...Well, maybe Black people can't often be racist in that manner, but believe me I have seen racism come from every single avenue possible. We can all hate if we are taught.

    On a different note if I can be so bold as to "flip the script" a minute--and this is NOT just directed at KBaldwinRN, but to anyone who may find it interesting...I am a Black woman and I have had the experience of not really having to experience much blatant racism from white people (at least not to my face) on the other hand, it was the black kids throughout my schooling who thought I "talked white", "behaved white", wasn't pretty enough...etc. I digress though because this thread is about racism in academia. My point is that ALL OF US CAN HATE. I'm 30 years old and I harbor no ill feelings towards any race. Racism does exist and it sucks and yes, we do need to talk about it, but we need to start by hearing everyone's point of view/experience. I am sorry for sounding so preachy...that is one of the reasons I was reluctant to post sooner.

    T.
    (Hahahahaha...)...No...I don't feel "singled out" at all (smile).

    I don't think I stated or insinuated that racism only exists when whites hate blacks. My response was directed towards a specific post, not a book review of "The Color Complex".

    I am not a Louis Farrakhan militant, so I'm not oblivious to self-hatred, which it appears you described here. Racism exists in all forms and fashions. And yes, I agree we DO need to talk about it (racism) freely and start by hearing EVERYONE'S opinion. Mine included.

    My statement of experiencing more racism from older Caucasian women is MY EXPERIENCE, and I'm sorry if anyone was offended, but I was offended when it happened. And as far as your experiencing "racism" from other blacks, I don't think it was racism. I think it was another black person hating what they thought (or imagined) you where trying to be or represent - Being more in touch with whites than "your own". Now, this topic is a whole different thread, better yet "can of worms" that I opened, but I thought I'd respond to your post. I'm merely suggesting how other blacks may have "tripped" over what they perceived as you not being black enough. And for the record, what exactly does it mean to NOT be black enough?

    How ignorant we all can be.
  6. by   rebelwaclause
    Originally posted by KBaldwinLVN
    Why is it that whenever a person of color states the word "Rascism", People (Caucasians mostly) like to duck-and-dodge or minimize its truth by replying "I won't get into that", "Enough hurting going on" or some other bah-humbug comment? Is it that its not known what to say, yet something, ANYTHING must be said no matter how callous, dumb or ackward?

    Racsism is alive and well in America, and it doesn't have boundaries as to where it will thrive. I have found older Caucasian nurses to be some of the most racsist people on this planet. I've worked with EMS personnel who thought my place was as a welfare recipient begging for more. It is real easy to write off the student who started this thread by "Not wanting to get into it", but that doesn't make the pain of raciscm any less hurtful. And whoever posted "I've been a victim of racsism by being white..." Dayum. That proves how ignorant we can be with our attitudes towards racsism.

    Manny - Just let what you encountered be the fuel under your behind to position yourself to be her boss one day. Then fire her, and say "Racsism doesn't exsist here". Better yet become her boss and kill her with kindness. She'll go nuts on her own.


    Uhmmm....Enough said.
  7. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    HOW rude you have turned out to be KBaldwin......I see your point and anger here, but INSULTING AND STEREOTYPING puts YOU right down on the level of those you so strongly disdain. If you want to make your point, it can be accomplished in a more articulate and polite manner and what you said about caucasians and to Heather was UN-CALLED FOR, period. ...as that old, old saying goes:

    Ya catch more flies w/honey than vinegar.

    Perhaps it is time you caught onto that. I am sorry for your anger, but I feel it is misdirected HERE. Perhaps you should go back and read ALL THE POSTS here....we are not "against" you....or "typical". Posting in anger almost always makes you misunderstood and can cause unnecessary strife. Good luck to you.:stone
    Who's the angry one here? You should take your own advice and NOT post in anger or haste.

    Go back and read my post, and imagine you conversing with a friend who is merely expressing her opinion. There's no raised voices, no mud slinging, just you and a friend you trust, admire and adore...Stating an opinion you may not necessarily agree with. Does that take the sting out of what I stated? It should, because I was neither angry nor pissed when I wrote the response. I merely posted MY OPINION based on MY experiences. I gather MY opinion is honored here, since I can see tons of other "opinions". Sounds like I struck a sensitive nerve and exposed it. I will concur, however, to be more careful not to generalize a whole race of people when speaking of a few. I apologize, and I am sorry.

    I am not trying to catch the "bees" of racism with honey...Why would I want it so near to me? Do you? I wish racism didn't exist at all. I wish I wasn't exposed to a few (NOT THE WHOLE DANG OLDER CAUCASIAN WOMEN NURSING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA...In other words, not everyone) ignorant older white nurses and their perceptions of me based on the color of my skin. Unfortunately, you where not there to experience their callousness and remind them about the bees and honey analogy. That would've been swell.

    MY POINT in replying to the original posted thread, was exactly what I said...Racism DOES exist and I have personally experienced it. Sorry the truth wasn't sugar coated, but when should the ugly of the world ever be afforded camouflage?

    Responses I've received that I DO agree with and accept, is that hate needs to stop and I shouldn't be a vessel that's used for it to carry on. Now that, I vow to work on.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    you don't get my post. but i am not surprised. i rest it here. no point even trying with someone so angry and unwilling to hear me. all that anger will serve no real purpose. i have plenty of black friends who got their bsn's and went on to do well despite all our "caucasian" ignorance of racism...no one here said it does NOT exist. we simply suggest there are ways to work past it. these friends of mine........they don't let ignorance stop them from doing what they love and being damn good at it. they prove ignorant hate-mongers wrong every day. them, i admire. good luck, sincerely.....:zzzzz
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jun 19, '02
  9. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER


    Darling, I do well on any thread here.

    I was posting my opinion, which I have as much of a right to do on any thread here that I choose, or am I wrong?

    Welcome to the boards. I look forward to reading your input on some of the other, fluffier, threads.

    Heather
    I responded (somewhere) to this, and wanted to say it again - I wasn't clear with my response post. I was agreeing with what you said, that we should be able to talk about anything we want without hearing members who are "tired" of the thread say things like "I wish it would die" or "We're beating a dead horse". I agreed with you that maybe another thread is better suited for that person. That's all. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
  10. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    you don't get my post. but i am not surprised. i rest it here. no point even trying with someone so angry and unwilling to hear me. all that anger will serve no real purpose. i have plenty of black friends who got their bsn's and went on to do well despite all our caucasian hatred.....they don't let ignorance stop them from doing what they love and being damn good at it. they prove ignorant hate-mongers wrong every day. them, i admire. good luck, sincerely.....

    O Lord...Not the "I've got plenty of black friends" speech! (Nooooo!!!!!!!)

    You appear by far angrier than me on a truly angry day...Which ain't today. Ignorance hasn't stopped me from doing much...Did I say it did or is that what you perceive? I've been stopped from doing something I love?

    Bulletin posting (email) is convenient, but so much becomes murky, lost and misconstrued during interpretation. I'm sorry your interpretation is off base, and simply not me. Take care.
  11. by   Brownms46
    I wonder why it's not possible to discuss somethng that apparently everyone agrees exists in all areas of our society, whether they be black, white, red, yellow, or polka dot?? Why is it ok to know it's there, but not talk about it?? I don't understand how those who are exposed to it, and see it, just feel the only way to deal with it is to wish it away, tee shirt slogan it away, or just ignore it...and it will go away.

    Well...it hasn't, and won't just go away! And many people can't just walk away, or get over it.... if their having to constantly deal with it!. It won't go away...when there are groups that require laws to be enacted, or programs to be started, in order to protect those it affects.

    Many people think that laws are the solutions to the problem! But you can't lesgislate people's hearts. You have to be able to learn to communicate, and be willing to listen! And listeninig means opening your heart, your mind, and your ears with the willingness to understand what is being said. But how can anyone listen...if all they see is flings of indifference coming their way?

    There is no one in anyone race, that can speak to all, concerning that race! No one has their pulse on what everyone of different beliefs feel. Each person determines their own beliefs based on her/his own experiences, education, and background. Insulting anyone on the basis of their beliefs, won't change that person's belief, but only cements their past conclusions, and nothing ....nothing has changed!

    I find it difficult to understand how those who have studied so hard, and devoted themselves to knowing so much about their fellows human beings, but hold up such strong walls against really understanding those we care for and the people around us!

    We all bring certain prejudices to any environment we enter. But our abilities to not let those same prejudices affect our judgement, or caring, is what sets many of us apart from others. Our abilitiy to care, no matter how we may feel, or the person we're caring for feels. But sadly there are those who have no desire to seperate these feelings, and feel justified in not giving all they could give, because of them.

    I just wish for once...there could truly be an honest exchange of ideas, information, and real suggestions, that would make a different in how we, each and everyone of us...sees those who are different. To be able to honestly speak and say exactly what we feel, but said in a sense of love and the desire to just really hear, and understand what is being said. Enabling us to look for a solution, and not allowing it to turn into a slinging of accussations, filled with half truths, and generalizations. Wouldn't that be something???

    I will always be puzzled, as to why this can't be done??? ???
    Last edit by Brownms46 on Jun 19, '02
  12. by   live4today
    Like you, Brownie, I will always be puzzled as to why this can't be done also. If we always do what we always did, we'll always get what we always got...no further today than we were yesteryear.

    We can preach a much better sermon with our life than we can with our lips. In other words, we must all learn to 'walk the talk' of what we believe in. To make a difference in life, all we need to give is all we have to give...our BEST!

    What we as adults believe in affects our children of today. Children are natural mimics who act like their parents despite every effort to teach them the morally ethical way to behave towards others. They catch what is "CAUGHT" more than they catch what is "TAUGHT".

    There are only 3 kinds of people in the world:

    Those who MAKE things happen, those who WATCH things happen, and those who sit back and WONDER what happened.

    We have to choose where we stand in life so as not to confuse the children around us today because if we don't, we will continue to send out mixed messages.

    My middle daughter made it through nursing school the same way I did, with integrity, a sound mind (well...I once had a sound mind :chuckle), smarts to conquer the hard workload, determination, motivation, a sense of humor, the ability to release stress through the shedding of many a tear, dusting off the negative, and putting on the positive day by day...one step at a time.

    It is true that we cannot change the facts simply by ignoring the facts...whatever those facts happen to be, but I strongly believe that under every hardcore personality is someone dying to be appreciated and loved. If we aren't ALL careful in how we touch the lives of others, we will miss out on a blessing simply because that blessing didn't come packaged the way we expected it to.

    Finally, we are not all dead to the facts, we are just electroencephalographically challenged! Sorry...it was time to break the iceberg on this thread with laughter! As one of my favorite singers named Faith Hill so sweetly sings -- "JUST BREATHE"!!!
    Last edit by live4today on Jun 19, '02
  13. by   KBaldwinLVN
    Originally posted by Susy K
    [B]
    And you know each poster's ethnicity exactly.......how????

    And you posted this:

    And then said in the same breath:
    .

    To me, these statements seem contradictory. Racism knows no boundaries, EXCEPT for the evil white folk, huh? Oh I forgot...I am white therefore I had everything handed to me.
    Don't presume to know my experiences. Please. You obviously have no FLIPPIN CLUE and your remarks to ME border on racism.


    I don't know each poster's ethnicity...And your point is validated by something wrote...Where?....(duh?).

    You've read FAR MORE into what I said, and additionally replaced some of what I said with what you THINK I said. Ya took it to another level somewhere in the corners of your mind. Evil white folk? And therefore everything was handed down to you?

    What the #$%%....??????

    Your perecption is...weird. You're right, I don't know you. And from your unfounded argument that twisted what I wrote to your "expose-zay" perceptions on KBaldwin, I doubt you are in any position to analyze or judge my character. Practice what you preach. Its nothing worse than to see someone going off on a poster the same way they are alledging they where infringed upon.

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