Is Racism a Fixture of Nursing Academia? - page 6

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  1. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by mspurp
    jeannie:
    i would never presume to tell you you should not feel as you do, but i hope you don't honestly feel ashamed to be a white woman. you are what you are. the totality of the racism issue is not because you are white, and just because you are not part of a minority does not mean that you should be ashamed.

    i'd like to say one more, very personal thing. i don't feel this thread has been uncomfortable, on the whole i'm pretty comfortable with discrimination and unfair treatment. that's a scary thing in and of itself.

    i've always envied 'visual' minorities, and by that i mean people of color, or handicapped, or whatever would put you in that minority category. being lesbian is something covert, hidden. i live a constant struggle to be as 'out' as possible with other people always saying 'its nobody's business' and 'keep it to yourself'. well, look, if i was black i couldn't keep that to myself and people couldn't very well tell me that my blackness was too flamboyant and in your face for people.
    well, they could say that i guess, but they'd be pretty damn stupid to say it out loud.

    i feel like i can never be out enough. i can never be as open as i would like to be, and i wish it was something that was just seen, instead of something i had to selectively reveal.

    that probably doesn't make sense to anyone, but somehow i feel better having said it.
    mspurp, i totally understand :wink2:!!!
  2. by   EXOTIC NURSE
    I still say Blah Blah to it all........I like people of all colors I do not teach my kids to be racists and I never will........so now Blah Blah again and I still stick to my words of what I said earlier and I am not under mining anyone's personal experiences I am just speaking about what I know about............signing off againnnnnnnnn.......oh by the way.....My family members date and have married outside of our race so much that we have a melting pot of individuals in my own family so that should tell you something about my world......
  3. by   delirium
    Blah blah blah strikes me as more than a bit disrespectful. If you don't find this thread to be of interest to you, don't participate, but I have found it useful to share viewpoints about this topic.

    There are a lot of really strong emotions here, and I just don't feel that the tone of your post is appropriate. Sorry for singling you out, and I'm not trying to start a war or anything, but that's just my .02. It is not helpful to callously say 'blah blah blah' when people are talking about their deepest feelings.
  4. by   Q.
    I find myself agreeing with MsPurp. Since racism and discrimination is such a sensitive, personal issue, it shoud be regarded as such and afforded some respect to the individuals who chose to share such experiences. We can't constantly keep stating who had it worse, who's guilty, who should feel guilty, who isn't working hard enough, etc. I have every right to feel the way I do, I have every right to feel passed up based on certain experiences.

    It does sadden me to see someone say they are ashamed to be white. That attitude in my mind only perpetuates this kind of racial behavior. Please be proud of who you are: if you do not practice such hateful behavior, you have no reason to be ashamed. I'm not.

    One final note: if someone feels that this thread is uncomfortable or they find other's experiences to be "not all that important" fine, but please don't say "Blah blah" to it. Would you like if we said "blah blah" to your opinion? I didn't think so.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am NEVER ashamed to be white, female, Protestant, American! Oh , it seems to be quite in VOGUE to be though!!!! Why? Why should ANY person be ashamed of their color/religion/sexual preferences if they are SINCERE, OPEN-MINDED and CARING????

    To hear ANYone say they are ashamed of who they are due to color/race/whatever(!) almost makes me physically ill. SHAME does NOTHING to FURTHER the cause of extinguishing racism/sexism/ageism and all the other stupid "-isms" plaguing our world today! Better to DO something then to feel ashamed.
  6. by   NurseDennie
    Wow - there are some really beautiful thoughts on this thread.

    I love little kids. They're so pure and beautiful. Have you ever heard somebody say that they're 'colorblind' when it comes to race? I always thought that was just a saying until one day when my oldest daughter was a 3 year old.

    One of my best friends came from Jamaica, and is a very dark African(now)American. Her children came with her, of course. (I LOVE her accent. I can't hear it enough).

    My parents came from England, my husband's parents came from Germany - my daughter is very blonde. My friend's youngest daughter and my older (at the time only) daughter are the same age. We met when they were about 2 and really like each other, and so the kids spent a LOT of time together. Lots of time together.

    One day as a special treat, we took the girls to a local amusement park. They were so excited!! They were all dressed up and they looked great!

    They were scampering along, holding hands, just being so full of themselves, because they were so beautiful. They both had on sundresses and matching jewelry and maching barrettes in their hair.

    They were scampering around us, laughing because they were fooling everybody at that park by wearing the matching jewelry. They were both CONVINCED that everybody thought they were twins because they looked *exactly* alike.

    Love

    Dennie
  7. by   mistersleepy
    GO BOB!!!

    Robert
  8. by   DebsZoo
    Originally posted by TEXASWAG
    Smilingblueyes,
    I'm not here to debate. All I'm saying is that's it's painful. It feels like a ball of burning acid in my chest. When a patient screams for help because a black face is in his room. THat HURTS. So, I had to suck it up. Two white nurses had to speak with this patient. We even considered changing assignments to appease this patient. I was not going to be the cause of this pt hyperventilating to the point of being intubated.
    I maintained my composure and worked through my initial anger at this very ill patient who later died. I felt sorry for him. I just don't understand why I have to be judged by the color of my skin. I'm so tired of this. I want patients to see me as their nurse but really some don't. To some all they see is black. When I walk into a store..black, when I drive..black, when I get stopped by the police..black, when I speak to doctors..black. when I speak to families..black. I'm tired. No, I'm not paranoid and I'm not complaining. I'm just frustrated with the reality of this world.
    I have read through these posts, with a heartache that never seems to lessen, when I begin to read, or talk about racism.
    We have a houseful of children, from 11-20 now, and have always done our very best to teach our children that skin color is NOT what or who a person is. We are an all caucasian (sp) family, with many diverse friends, and , yes, family.

    My personal belief..........every human that walks this planet bleeds red.
    What makes us different is out culture.........whether it be Africa, Europe, America, Alaska, Canada, Mississippi, California, etc.
    EVERY perosn has a 'culture' they are raised in, even living next door to each other. The traditions, religion, schools, foods, music, etc make up an individuals culture, not just their ethnic or color.
    IMHO, racism is a fear.........a fear of the "unknown" culture every person of color, whether it be white, black and all variations, is.
    If we do not KNOW the traditions, lifestyle, orientation, foods, music, etc of a certain race.........we should, if we TRULY want to end racism, make every attempt to learn it. You can be aquantances of anyone.........but to be a firend, a true friend, we need to know the person and all that comes with knowing them.
    Don't we want our friends to know what makes us tick?
    Don't we want our friends to understand where we are coming from?
    Of course we do..............so, why don't we learn, if that is what it takes, to understand each others heritage/culture/ethnicity?

    Because it takes time?
    Because we might LIKE the person?<oh my!>

    Sorry folks,
    I try to be as "politically correct" as I can be............but some things just truly get my goat but good...........and this is one of them
    I truly believe, if each person just TRIED to know more about their neighbors, co-workers, fellow earth dwellers.............we might, just might be able to get past this.

    Sadly, there are too many that do not want to, or feel they are "better" than others, or are just too flipp'n filled with hate to care...................I wonder, do those peole REALLY 'care' about even their own???

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    Ok.........climbing off the soap box..................
    Thanks for this board...................most interesting conversations I have found
  9. by   Teshiee
    Thanks!!!!!!!!! I just came up with that slogan on the top of my head. Few words that have a powerful message. I agree this topic is not dead it will only die when people of all ehtnic groups get along and stop being prejudice. Then we can say beat the dead horse. It is an issue that effects us one way or another, dealing with it only a daily basis for some is truly disheartening.
  10. by   jmcclellanprofrn
    As an observer, it was interesting to watch this thread build itself. First of all, Bob, nice! You've all seen what happens right before your eyes. We're the educated ones? Does discrimination exist in academia? Of course! Am I proud to have seen it or heard it? NO! I'm part Puerto Rican but you can't tell by looking at me. I had an instructor say, I would have never guessed, "you don't look Puerto Rican." Unfortunately behavior is learned, from family, friends, aquaintances, etc. Prejudice will always exist! As humans we believe that we are all each special so we must some how separate ourselves from the "unwanted", whether it be by color, heritage, religion, sex, sexuality, etc. The truth is: we are ALL insignificant, life is too short, so let's just love one another, and give peace a chance. And if that's too hard to understand, take a look at the children, so young, so naive, so full of hope that nothing matters about who they play with, as long as they are kind and share well.
  11. by   Teshiee
    I think when one makes a statement of being ashamed ,that to me is saying that you are taking responsibility for the ignorance in your ethnic group! Never be ashamed. There is ignorance in all ethnic groups of people that make you want to go and hide sometimes but you have to say to yourself it is not me acting that way. I don't feel anyone here on this thread is saying they are hurting worse or they are more discriminated against. Bigotry is a bytch. It attempts to take a piece of your identity away. I will say the media plays a big role in why people stereotype because they get the most undeducated individual when seen by all they assume "certain ethnic group of people act that way" I say get to know "me" first. Color second! I am a nurse who just so happen to be black not a black nurse. Peace\Love&Soul to all !
  12. by   caroladybelle
    I am pale skinned, redheaded, small boned and Jewish.

    My mother was jewish my father was christian.

    I have heard all the Jew jokes that you can imagine - living here in the South. I had high school class mates that were in the KKK. I have heard "But you're okay -you're not one of THOSE jews" more times than you can shake a stick. I have been flirted with and hit on by members of the local World Church of Creator/Christian Identity/Aryan Nations groups, as they were out picketing a black owned business. I don't look Jewish. But it does not make it any easier to deal with the prejudice. I have been asked if failed out of med school - because "most" jews become MDs. People have assumed that I come from money, because I am well educated - Honey, my folks are about as poor as you can get - But they made me read everything in the house.

    When I was in Nursing school, we were required to take Ethics. One day in class, the Prof asked us to name some things that were immoral and then went around the room. When they came to me, I said Racism. Several women of color in the room looked at me like I was crazy - and one of them said "One of us should have said that."

    I guess that it didn't count coming from a "white?" girl.

    I have patients that tell me what a fine christian girl I am (I guess that all good women must be Christian) and Jesus bless you (How about G-d).

    Can we ever progress in our society to the point that we can get beyond racism, sexism, anti/semitism and all of the other"ISMs" that divide us? I truly hope so.

    Mes compaingnons cui j'amoire et cui j'aim...me di, chanson.
  13. by   Furball
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by caroladybelle
    I am pale skinned, redheaded, small boned and Jewish.

    My mother was jewish my father was christian.

    I have heard all the Jew jokes that you can imagine - living here in the South. I had high school class mates that were in the KKK. I have heard "But you're okay -you're not one of THOSE jews" more times than you can shake a stick. I have been flirted with and hit on by members of the local World Church of Creator/Christian Identity/Aryan Nations groups, as they were out picketing a black owned business. I don't look Jewish. But it does not make it any easier to deal with the prejudice. I have been asked if failed out of med school - because "most" jews become MDs. People have assumed that I come from money, because I am well educated - Honey, my folks are about as poor as you can get - But they made me read everything in the house.

    When I was in Nursing school, we were required to take Ethics. One day in class, the Prof asked us to name some things that

    were immoral and then went around the room. When they came to me, I said Racism. Several women of color in the room looked at me like I was crazy - and one of them said "One of us should have said that."

    I guess that it didn't count coming from a "white?" girl.

    I have patients that tell me what a fine christian girl I am (I guess that all good women must be Christian) and Jesus bless you (How about G-d).

    Can we ever progress in our society to the point that we can get beyond racism, sexism, anti/semitism and all of the other"ISMs" that divide us? I truly hope so.

    Mes compaingnons cui j'amoire et cui j'aim...me di, chanson.


    Great post Carol!

    I used to live in the deep south. My parents were quite progressive in the 60's and 70's. Our backyard BBQ's resembled the UN. Mom and dad sponsered a young African couple who went on to med school at Vanderbilt. They would wear their beautiful African clothing. A coworker of dads' was from Japan. Moms best friend was full blooded Cherokee. There were many KKK members in our neighborhood. Before ther parties they would run around the neighborhood warning that they were having a BBQ with many different races....and to not bother "causing trouble" because the police had been notified and officers were strategically placed. (Mom and dad had friends on the police force, thankfully)

    In the 70's we ended moving to upstate NY. My very first day at school.... a black girl shoved me up against the lockers because she didn't like my southern accent.....




    The races were segregated in the north too, I found out. Half my teachers in the south were black. I didn't have a SINGLE black teacher in upstate NY.

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