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Is health care a "right" - page 2

Now that the affordable care act is rolling out I wonder if we should revisit this notion. AND (maybe more particularly) if it is a right, is the federal government the best instrument to provide it.... Read More

  1. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    IMO It's useless to talk about whether health care is a "right" or not. Having lived and worked in a number of third world countries and seen the effects of a failed or inaccessible or non existent health care system. I want, and will advocate for everybody to have basic health care. Why? It's all about ME, ME, ME! I understand that fantasist benefit and advantage my family and I get from living in a healthy society and I have seen what happens when large numbers of people don't have access to health care.
    I am perfectly happy to assist in paying for the healthcare of others, after all I receive tremendous benefits from it. Besides I (we) pay either way, one way or the other.
  2. Visit  Clementia profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    Bold and italics mine...

    If you don't want to provide nursing care to people coming to your place of work then you shouldn't be in health care.
    Secondly, it is just wrong to suggest that the difficult patients and family members are exclusively poor! I have had just as many, possibly more, "wealthy" folks mistreat me and others in the course of receiving their care than "poor" folk...just sayin.
    Thirdly, relegating the poor to only catastrophic emergent care...like for the life threatening acute injury, is heartless (IMHO) in what is supposed to be the most generous and successful democracy on the planet. In a country where the wealthiest people and businesses have more cash flow than some small countries we are stingy with the poor over something as essential as health care and food (reference cuts to SNAP).

    If we allow our greatest asset, the working classes, to be financially destroyed by the for profit health system we will be in serious trouble as a nation...as evidenced by our current trends.
    I see your point...however, I never said that as an RN I did not want to provide care for patients. Like them, I have a mortgage payment to make, and I don't work for free. When a person wants a service, that person should expect to pay for it in some fashion.

    And, certainly, boorish behavior is not restricted to the poorer members of our society. I certainly did not mean to imply such a thing (and I come from a lower-income background myself). I only ask whether the healthcare profession should be obligated to provide care to abusive patients -- from any economic situation -- despite fears for their own safety, because those abusive patients have a right to health care.
  3. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from Clementia
    I see your point...however, I never said that as an RN I did not want to provide care for patients. Like them, I have a mortgage payment to make, and I don't work for free. When a person wants a service, that person should expect to pay for it in some fashion.

    And, certainly, boorish behavior is not restricted to the poorer members of our society. I certainly did not mean to imply such a thing (and I come from a lower-income background myself). I only ask whether the healthcare profession should be obligated to provide care to abusive patients -- from any economic situation -- despite fears for their own safety, because those abusive patients have a right to health care.

    I would suggest that the abuse of health care professionals by patients is a different thread altogether.

    The notion that our care should be governed by how the bill is paid or isn't paid...on an individual professional level...is a dangerous one, in my view. NOBODY pays their entire bill today...except those who are uninsured, and they have the most difficult time accessing reasonable and timely health care.

    Our care and regard for patients within our influence must be unconditional.
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  4. Visit  Student Mom to Three profile page
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    To deny a person access to healthcare is absolutely inhumane. So, yes, it is a right. And, yes, it is a civilized government's responsibility to ensure it's constituents have access. Our government can provide safe drinking water, an amazing interstate system and security for air travel. Heck, we can blow tons of money sending a rover to Mars of all things. There is no reason....none at all....that anybody should have to go without chemotherapy, a cast on a broken bone, birth control, or any type of preventive care. We should be embarrassed that in such a wealthy country we have not yet figured out how to provide in this manner for each other. I have a theory that it all just boils down to selfishness....good ol'....."I don't want you to have what I have unless you are worthy."

    I pay a lot for insurance premiums at $1200 per month. I have to make sacrifices to pay that, obviously. I am lucky, however, that I at least have that much. I do not mind at all pitching in a few bucks to help out my fellow human being.

    I, for one, am hopeful that the ACA will at least put a dent in this problem
  5. Visit  DalekRN profile page
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    I just can't imagine anything changing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can make people buy health insurance, but you can't make them get the preventative care they need. It will not make a difference.
  6. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from RNmo
    I just can't imagine anything changing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can make people buy health insurance, but you can't make them get the preventative care they need. It will not make a difference.
    That will surely be true for some people...but there are millions of people who would love to have affordable access to good health care and will use it to the best of their ability to improve their health status'.
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  7. Visit  macawake profile page
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    Quote from Student Mom to Three
    To deny a person access to healthcare is absolutely inhumane. So, yes, it is a right. And, yes, it is a civilized government's responsibility to ensure it's constituents have access. Our government can provide safe drinking water, an amazing interstate system and security for air travel. Heck, we can blow tons of money sending a rover to Mars of all things. There is no reason....none at all....that anybody should have to go without chemotherapy, a cast on a broken bone, birth control, or any type of preventive care. We should be embarrassed that in such a wealthy country we have not yet figured out how to provide in this manner for each other. I have a theory that it all just boils down to selfishness....good ol'....."I don't want you to have what I have unless you are worthy."

    I pay a lot for insurance premiums at $1200 per month. I have to make sacrifices to pay that, obviously. I am lucky, however, that I at least have that much. I do not mind at all pitching in a few bucks to help out my fellow human being.

    I, for one, am hopeful that the ACA will at least put a dent in this problem
    I liked you post so much I decided to quote it. I agree 100%.


    I was born and currently live in a country with universal healthcare. I have visited and lived/worked in countries that have other solutions regarding healthcare, including some thirdworld countries.

    It baffles me how anyone can be against universal healthcare. It genuinely does. When in the US I had several discussions with some individuals who where vehemently opposed to the idea of universal healthcare. None of them had ever lived in a country with universal healthcare and I honestly never understood what their fears were. I can understand why a ceo or shareholder in a medical insurance company might fear universal health care, but not why the average citizen would.

    Last year 1.900 USD of my income tax was allocated to healthcare. That's 158/month. I have a "medium" income. That money buys me peace of mind. It means that if I, a family member or a friend gets sick or injured I/they will receive medical treatment. It means that my neighbor, the guy working at the grocery store or the old lady I saw sitting on a bench in the park earlier today will receive medical attention should they need it. It also means that we all get preventative healthcare. Small price to pay. I can afford it.

    As a healthcare worker and as a human being I could not imagine denying a person medical help if they needed it.
    My primary reason is that I think that it is inhumane. Also on a practical level it's detrimental to society as a whole to have a part of the population who are needlessly in poor health.
  8. Visit  TX911 profile page
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    No. No one has a "right" to another person's services
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  9. Visit  kguill975 profile page
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    Quote from TX911
    No. No one has a "right" to another person's services
    I am the mother of a 17 y/o special needs child, that I can only pray will be able to read at a 3rd grade level to gain employment by the time she graduates from high school at 21. I work 72 hours/7 days a week and pay into 3 retirement accounts, because social security and Medicare will be dust in the wind when I retire in 30 years at the age of 67. If the old couple down the street can retire early and enjoy social security and Medicare off of my (by then) total of 50 years in the work force, then you bet your butt my daughter deserves the "right" to healthcare, because I will have done my share. I'm not asking for handouts, because as long as I have two hands and two feet, I'll take care of my own, but remember the ACA will also benefit those who are unemployable, by no choice of their own.
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  10. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from TX911
    No. No one has a "right" to another person's services
    You do not have a right to fire services? police services? because you are a citizen of the country living in a community?
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  11. Visit  TX911 profile page
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    Quote from kguill975
    I am the mother of a 17 y/o special needs child, that I can only pray will be able to read at a 3rd grade level to gain employment by the time she graduates from high school at 21. I work 72 hours/7 days a week and pay into 3 retirement accounts, because social security and Medicare will be dust in the wind when I retire in 30 years at the age of 67. If the old couple down the street can retire early and enjoy social security and Medicare off of my (by then) total of 50 years in the work force, then you bet your butt my daughter deserves the "right" to healthcare, because I will have done my share. I'm not asking for handouts, because as long as I have two hands and two feet, I'll take care of my own, but remember the ACA will also benefit those who are unemployable, by no choice of their own.
    What you're describing is not a "right." What you're describing are public benefits that are being funded by the generosity of others and by your own tax contributions which you (and others) are compelled to pay in by law. Once again, if you people think you have an inherent "right" to anything simply because you exist then you need a logic class and your head checked. A "right" to something like health care is an existential question that bears actual, serious thought. Not a Fox news rant.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jun 22, '13 : Reason: TOS
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  12. Visit  TX911 profile page
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    No, you do not have a "right" to other people providing you with a service of any kind. Tax contributions and the willingness of society to adhere to the system in place are reasons why those services are available to you. Not to mention the willingness (whether it be altruism or simply financial motivation) and ability of the providers is not in your hands and you certainly are not entitled to demand that anyone be made to help you do anything.

    You were born. You have a "right" to attempt to survive. You are LUCKY that you live in a world and a society in which such brutal and insensitive truths do not necessarily guide legislative practice and are not part of societal norms. No, you are lucky to live in a world in which most people generally do not want others to suffer. As such, there are systems in place to provide you with care and in return, you pay in your contribution in order to keep the system afloat with your (presumed) tax dollars. You do so mainly because you have been conditioned to do so. From a very young age society taught you how to behave and introduced you to the system in which you exist. You have no "right" to anything, and certainly not to someone else's services or expertise.

    Nobody asked you to be born. Nobody asked you to exist. Your existence, as well as mine and everyone else's, is a tiresome burden to the planet in the grand scheme of things. The Big Bang did not happen with you in mind. The universe did not expand and its original elements did not cool and cook into heavier elements so that you could breathe oxygen or drink water. You are not special and it is not your life, my life, or anyone else's life. Life is simply life. And you should have no expectations from it. Again, you should be thankful that you are in a society in which a system is in place (that you had no part in constructing) that affords you the ability to be so presumptuous as to assume you have a "right" to other people doing anything to help you.
  13. Visit  marcopollo profile page
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    Oh please, OBAMACARE is the way for the poor to survive !


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