Is Health Care a Right? - page 13

Just want to see your opinion (friendly discussion, no flaming, please). Is health care a right that should be enjoyed equally here in the U.S.? If so, how would this be financed without breaking... Read More

  1. by   ANnot4me
    I agree that an up front flat tax would be fair, but then it would be simple and bureaucracies would be eliminated. People couldn't cheat and hide money all over the world.

    Even the government has realized that it would be cheaper for everyone if their were a national health care system. As I said before, we already pay for it anyway. It's just all convoluted.

    What shocks me the most about this thread is how nasty and coldhearted some people can be. Nurses that don't even care enough about their neighbors to feed, house, or give them healthcare if they are mentally, physically or spiritually sick enough not to be able to acquire it on their own.

    Has anyone seen "About Schmidt" or "Bowling for Columbine?"
  2. by   Q.
    Originally posted by chigap
    Nurses that don't even care enough about their neighbors to feed, house, or give them healthcare if they are mentally, physically or spiritually sick enough not to be able to acquire it on their own.

    Chigap,
    We do this all the time already.
  3. by   RNforLongTime
    I care about my neighbors but when my neighbors who are healthy are sitting on their butts collecting welfare while I work my arse off, then I have a problem.
  4. by   maureeno
    assuming the taxable income, the remainder after deductions and exemptions:
    Tax payer A $25,000
    2002 tax due $3,154
    if 20% flat tax $5,000

    Tax payer B $115,000
    2002 tax due $24,920
    if 20% flat tax $23,000

    Tax payer B's savings of $1,420 will cause a lot of suffering to Tax payer A.

    In my job [involuntary psych unit] we often have to do hands-on 'shows of force.' Some staff are stronger than others, should they hold back so we will all be sure to exert the exact same physical 'work'? Should those with less physical ability dislocate their shoulders so things can be 'fair'? Should the strongest among us resent the weaker?

    These are questions of values and ethics. Our country used to have more of a concensus about what is just. I believe Tax payer A needs that $1,846 for food and shelter and transportation, and I don't mind being in the 30% bracket for TAXABLE income earned above $112,850.
  5. by   Q.
    Screw it then. If flat tax is unfair, then I will teach my kids NOT to become educated for a more lucrative and financially stable career, or to make decisions so that their earning potential will increase. My sole purpose in increasing my earning potential is to fund me and my family, not everyone else. Otherwise, why should I increase my earnings? Why should I find a better job? Why should I work for that promotion? Why should I go to grad school? To support my neighbor?? That is not why I was placed on this earth!!
  6. by   JMP
    Unfortunately, society is made up of all kinds of people, those who can cope, those who cope only part of the time and some who can never cope, with anything, anytime........... but they still deserve health care, when they are sick, or when their kids are sick.

    Health care is a right. It is one way others can judge the society in which we live. That is, how that society treats it's most vulnerable.
  7. by   JMP
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Screw it then. If flat tax is unfair, then I will teach my kids NOT to become educated for a more lucrative and financially stable career, or to make decisions so that their earning potential will increase. My sole purpose in increasing my earning potential is to fund me and my family, not everyone else. Otherwise, why should I increase my earnings? Why should I find a better job? Why should I work for that promotion? Why should I go to grad school? To support my neighbor?? That is not why I was placed on this earth!!
    Maybe we where all put here to support our neighbours...... in the spirit of community.
  8. by   ANnot4me
    Why do childless people have to pay taxes that fund the education of children? Why do people who aren't criminals have to pay taxes to support those who are? Why do those who are peace loving have to pay taxes that fund war? Why should I pay the same taxes as people who have more rights than I do?
    Last edit by ANnot4me on Jan 24, '03
  9. by   Q.
    Ohhh chigap, don't get me started on THAT one.
  10. by   Q.
    Originally posted by JMP
    Maybe we where all put here to support our neighbours...... in the spirit of community.

    And I do. I teach free classes for patients, I help with a Saturday clinic for free health care for uninsured patients. I donate to charities. I'm also a nurse. I will be paying off my student loan for the next 15 years. Who is helping me? That is the problem here. The "support" is one sided. No one supports me or my family.
  11. by   sunnygirl272
    Originally posted by JMP
    Maybe we where all put here to support our neighbours...... in the spirit of community.
    Personally..i have NO desire, or feel any moral obligation to contribut towards the support of my neighbor, who has 4 children out of wedlock ..by different men..she and the kids can get Welfare...medicaid, wic, food stamps, hud..She CHOSE to get knocked up...she CHOSE to continue to get knocked up with children she couldnot afford on her own..she CHOSE to be in that situation...they have rent paid for...food and medical paid for...and should she CHOOSE to dabble in school..we'd be footing that bill, too....well the rest of us work our collective asses off, paying for school...getting and education the old fashioned way: earrrrning it....
  12. by   ANnot4me
    Would you rather trade places with her? Do you envy what she has? What would you rather do? Do you teach your children to treat her children like they are less than because of the choices of their mother? Judgement is cheap, but what is your solution? Is it to condem these children and to write them off as useless?
    Last edit by ANnot4me on Jan 24, '03
  13. by   Q.
    No one said her children are useless. Hopefully they won't make the same decisions their mother did and they won't follow in the cycle of dependence. However, I don't believe that her children are my responsibility. Whose responsibility are my children? My dog? Me or my husband's financial obligations in the event of an untimely death? Guess what? It's not MY neighbor. It's me. So how is that fair?
    It's not like I was born with money or a home. I chose to go to school and not one of my neighbors is helping me fund it, then or now. How is that fair?
    Last edit by Susy K on Jan 24, '03

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