Importing nurses from the Phillipines - page 9

My hospital is working on getting nurses from the Phillipines to fill some of our needs. We have been in the paper process for almost a year and now it looks like we actually will be getting some of... Read More

  1. by   mmnursewannabee
    I just want to comment on what the norwegian (forgot her username) said about Filipinos saying yes when they mean no and saying no when they mean yes. In Tagalog (filipino native language) a positive question is answered by no and a negative question is answered by yes. So if you ask a Filipino a question that is negative she is most likely to say yes when she actually means no. Is this making any sense?

    For example

    Q: You have not seen this movie?
    A: Yes
    Q: Yes what?
    A: Yes, I have not seen this movie.

    Sorry for the example. I can't think of anything right now but it is something like that because if you translate the first question in Tagalog it will be answered by Yes in Tagalog and it will mean no, she has not seen the movie. Am I making sense?

    This is true to new immigrants and not for those who stayed here for a while.
    Last edit by mmnursewannabee on Nov 8, '02
  2. by   Youda
    Many european countries allow immigration or work permits only in the areas where there is a current shortage of that occupation. Otherwise, you can travel there as a tourist, but not allowed to stay or live there. The US, in allowing foreign nurses to immigrate or work in the US, isn't any different.

    After reading this thread for the first time today, I am really embarrased for the USA that nurses from other countries are reading this thread and seeing some really questionable attitudes. If the attitudes don't embarrass me, then certainly the stereotyping does, especially by Americans who have never travelled outside the USA or lived in another country to know first-hand what they're talking about.

    The hope is that a severe shortage here will give nurses a greater voice in wages, benefits and patient loads. A "supply and demand" thing. The reality is that patient loads can't become lighter when there IS a shortage and no one is there to fill the job, assuming that a hospital even wanted to increase nursing staff. How many times have we been told that we have to "make do" because there isn't anyone to work? If 250,000 foreign nurses were allowed to come to the USA, we'd only fill current vacancies that current staffing levels require. 250,000 nurses still wouldn't fill a need for improved staffing or the increasing vacancies over the next 20 years. You've got a better chance of improving staffing ratios when there is enough staff to actually improve it!

    To answer the original question: I think the problems with foreign nurses is USA fear, lack of understanding (by the US nurses), stereotyping, fatalistic thinking (they will prevent us from making changes), assigning negative attributes such as they can't "think outside the box" (and if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!), prejudice and stereotyping.

    Any nurse who is willing to deal with that kind of built-in discrimination and prejudice just by coming here, certainly is of higher moral character than their counterparts here in the USA who expouse such nonsensical arguments.

    Personally, I would welcome and be very grateful for another set of hands, or 3 or 4 or 5 of them. If they can't speak English, I'll do pantomine. I'm sure such a nurse could figure out how to empty a bedpan without me needing to ask for the help in English. And, I'm equally certain that they are intelligent enough to pick-up on our laws, procedures, and language very quickly. More quickly, in fact, than the USA nurses would be willing to try to bridge any language or cultural barriers.

    Putting on my flame-proof underware now.
  3. by   Gardengal
    As Youda stated:

    "The reality is that patient loads can't become lighter when there IS a shortage and no one is there to fill the job, assuming that a hospital even wanted to increase nursing staff. How many times have we been told that we have to "make do" because there isn't anyone to work? If 250,000 foreign nurses were allowed to come to the USA, we'd only fill current vacancies that current staffing levels require. 250,000 nurses still wouldn't fill a need for improved staffing or the increasing vacancies over the next 20 years. You've got a better chance of improving staffing ratios when there is enough staff to actually improve it! "

    i look forward to filling some of our vacant positions with qualified nurses from wherever. Only once we get some of our positions filled will some of the heat be off.....We talk about how hard we work, and we do work hard. We are always wanting more staff to help out. It is only when we can recruit some more nurses that we will also be able to look at retention effectively. Recruitment is a short term fix, but retention is the long term. We need to do both.
  4. by   baseline
    I have worked with nurses from all over the world...when they are good they are good...when they are not..they are not...doesn't seem to matter where they came from. I wll say it once more that my personal experience with the Philipino nurses has been excellent.
  5. by   Babe
    Babe going to her cornor on this one ,except for two things, 1st. some timrs in typing so fast spelling mistakes just happen, the head often works faster than the fingers, 2nd. I'd like to know results of nursing shortages in other countries so keep us posted! Thanks:
  6. by   sjoe
    By clicking on the "edit" button of any post that YOU wrote, you can correct spelling, grammar, logic, etc. mistakes. Or add to or delete any of it you want to.
  7. by   Babe
    I'm not only new in school; but in the use of these comps. also Thank you for the help!:imbar
  8. by   -jt
    <<i look forward to filling some of our vacant positions with qualified nurses from wherever. Only once we get some of our positions filled will some of the heat be off.....We talk about how hard we work, and we do work hard. We are always wanting more staff to help out. It is only when we can recruit some more nurses that we will also be able to look at retention effectively. Recruitment is a short term fix, but retention is the long term. We need to do both.>>

    None of it can happen until the working environment & conditions are drastically improved first. There are 500,000 currently licensed US nurses right here in this country refusing to work in nursing today - mainly because of working conditions. Fix those things & many will come back. Make the job worth it & make the workplace a desireable one for nurses & will will not only be able to recruit back the experienced nurses but also new students -- and they'll stay a lot longer than the 1-3 yrs theyre staying now.

    The solutions has to begin in the working environment. THEN recruitment & retention efforts will actually work.
  9. by   rasunico
    Originally posted by apols_uk
    by the way florry we dont speak norwegian thats probably why these nurses say no
    hi apols_uk read your reply to florry's comments regarding filipino nurses, i agree with you..... by the way, how's being a nurse in uk? i'm still here in the philippines gaining experience....
  10. by   Nurse Nevada
    Phillipino nurses are hard working and contiencious. We need every nurse we can get, no matter where they're from. We are at crisis levels.

    Please come and sign a petition to lower the Nurse-to-Patient ratio in Nevada. It's an issue of safety! Go to:

    http://users.lvcm.com/nursenevada

    Thank-you,
    Every signature helps!
    Dianne Moore, RN
  11. by   Youda
    Originally posted by -jt
    [BThe solutions has to begin in the working environment. THEN recruitment & retention efforts will actually work. [/B]
    It sounds like a questions of 'which came first: the chicken or the egg?' Did the shortage cause the bad working conditions or did the bad working conditions cause the shortage? I think it's about 50% of both. For short-term relief, nurses from other countries would sure help. For long-term remedies, you are absolutely correct!

    I suppose I'm not very optimistic that there will be sweeping reforms anytime soon. So, in the meantime, I would just like to save myself today, and maybe save a few of those people who are dying from lack of staff today. Please remember I'm in a right-to-work state where unions have been kept out. So, my working conditions are far more dire than yours in NYC.
  12. by   AJACKT33Z
    U.S.-of California---a riot!! The financial info is that we are about fifth or sixth place behind other--get this--COUNTRIES--as far as gross number of capital (money) generated. I'm not sure about exact placing, but USA is #1, followed by JAPAN,ENGLAND,& FRANCE. These are world powers! I have been here since the 50's & I have worked with practically all nationalities. All I have to say is simple: *******s come in all colors, & so do friends. I get critisized for laughing at mistakes made by nurses from abroad; "they" say I am making them uncomfortable. I tell them I will laugh when I am amuzed--I am laughing with them, not at them.I show them the correct( spelling/ pronunciation/idiom/slang and will stop & show anyone how to learn if they are eager to embrace USA as their country. "pt has a soar trout" is one of my favorites. I am racist about having people from outside of CA. move here to live. In CA. , I am living in my native city,LOS ANGELES. I am the only native CALIFORNIAN (all other nurses filipino, salvadorian,columbian,you name it) , I am used to being the one to ask if the ediquette(spelled wrong, I'm too lazy to stop & think while I'm on a roll) , the spelling , the phrase, expression----I treat humans the way I want to be treated--simple but very effective in dealing w/ others. People that come here & complain about being here are the biggest P.I.T.A.'s around. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.(quote Dennis Miller)
  13. by   Youda
    Originally posted by AJACKT33Z
    I show them the correct ( spelling/ pronunciation/idiom/slang and will stop & show anyone how to learn if they are eager to embrace USA as their country. "pt has a soar trout" is one of my favorites. . . I am used to being the one to ask if the ediquette(spelled wrong, I'm too lazy to stop & think while I'm on a roll) , the spelling , the phrase, expression . . .
    Please, please, PLEASE, don't take offense, AJACK. But, this was just too funny to pass up. :roll :roll :roll

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