Importing nurses from the Phillipines - page 7
My hospital is working on getting nurses from the Phillipines to fill some of our needs. We have been in the paper process for almost a year and now it looks like we actually will be getting some of... Read More
Oct 7, '02Are there any sites proving that it would be cheaper to train American RNs and get them to work? With companies main focus being the bottom line, I find it hard to believe that they would choose to spend more money than they have to doing anything. If someone can point out any litterature, it would certainly be a great addition to any letter to politicians or newspapers.
Oct 7, '02<Are there any sites proving that it would be cheaper to train American RNs and get them to work?>
In the long run, it probably would be a better investment. The ANA & our unions have all that data somewhere, Im sure. But it probably would be more expensive in the short term because the hospitals would first have to spend money to increase the number of seats in the that they have spent years downsizing, cutting, & closing. Then theyd have to increase the educators compensation to attract instructors to teach all these new students because there is a shortage of those since the pay is so poor. In effect, the hospitals are complaining about a situation which they created despite 10 yrs of warnings from nurses that this would happen, & now they dont want to spend the money to fix what they caused.
The Nurse Reinvestment Act is a new federal law that will defray these costs with grants from the government but Congress is taking its sweet time appropriating the $250 million in funds to get the law off & running making those improvements to get more students started. So in the short run, its probably just easier for the US administrators to let somebody else overseas pay for, educate, & train nursing students - & then go in there & steal the profit of that other country's investment right out from under its nose.Last edit by -jt on Oct 7, '02
Oct 8, '02AP/Hartford Courant, Oct. 7, 2002
NEW HAVEN -- A nursing shortage has medical centers across the state looking overseas for help.
Hospitals have sent nursing recruitment teams to the Philippines, Canada, Ireland and Scotland seeking well-trained nurses eager to relocate to the United States for jobs that offer higher pay and more respect.
Jeramy Tabuzo, 31, came from the Philippines to work at Yale-New Haven Hospital. She arrived last year, a few months after her husband, Bien Tabuzo, also a nurse, relocated from the United Arab Emirates to Connecticut to take a job at Bridgeport Hospital.
"In the Philippines, our newspapers are filled with advertisements for U.S. ," Jeramy Tabuzo told the New Haven Register.
A rental house that Yale sought out for the Tabuzos and their 3-year-old son was ready for the family to move into within days of her arrival, and Bien Tabuzo relocated to Yale-New Haven Hospital a short time later.
Tabuzo and other foreign nurses are all required to take several exams before they can practice in the United States. The Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing administers an exam to prove nursing experience. And to practice in Connecticut, nurses must take another test, the National Council Licensure Exam, to obtain a state nursing license.
Nurses must already have obtained a bachelor's degree in nursing and have a license to practice in their native country. They also must take a mandatory written, oral and English reading proficiency exam, and a visa screening process is done to verify that all the tests have been passed and requirements have been fulfilled.
Ken Roberts, spokesman for the Connecticut Hospital Association, said statistics for 2001, the most recent data available, indicated that an average of 11.6 percent of nursing jobs at hospitals and health care centers were vacant.
That compares with a 7.6 percent vacancy rate in allied health care professions, including pharmacists and various medical technologists.
"Some of the more specialized areas have more acute shortages because of the training requirements," Roberts said.
He said the numbers for 2002, which have not been released, are not much different from 2001.
Maybe you can contact Yale-New Haven Hospital to see how their program worrking. Website: http://www.ynhh.org/
Oct 8, '02Tenet hospitals in California sent the recruiters -jt. A friend of mine just got back. She got 18 RN's and had alot of fun (at the company's expense) doing it.
Oct 8, '02Damn amazing, isnt it?
I recently read an article that bragged that Tenet had made millions in profits last year & is doing so well that its building a 10 story tower of new pt rooms and claimed it "will have no trouble filling those beds". I wrote the editor & asked but how are they planning to fill the 10 stories worth of nurses stations with enough RNs to care for all those new pts cause there is no mention in the article about RNs at all & Ca is having one of the worst RN shortages in the nation. I never heard back from him, but I guess you just answered my question.
Oct 8, '02I was wondering does anyone have experience with korean nurses? What do they think of them? This is not advertisement but I am having trouble talking to health care providers. They ignore my email.
I am trying to send NCLEX-Rn's to America for work but no one is responding. Is this normal?
Oct 11, '02I have great respect for Phillipino nurses. They tend to be excellent as far as following policy and procedures to the letter and knowing what the "rules" are. However, I have found, in my 10-plus years of nursing, that they tend (not EVERY Phillipino nurse mind you) to be obedient, compliant, passive nurses. It seems hard for them to "think outside the box" and problem solve or be creative. However, it can be very frustrating for American nurses who are assertive and like to be heard!!
My hospital is actively recruiting there. I would like to hear from a Phillipino nurse how they feel about the $15/hr salary offer - when American nurses are faring better - new grads, no less.
This angers me that this hiring practice will keep ALL of our salaries down.
Oct 17, '02I think most nurses do not understand the history of what has happened to nurses in the last 35 years in this country.
Most nurses are NOT against working with others from different countries, BUT, they are against allowing hospitals to constantly use the excuse of poor staffing to open the doors for immigration nursing to exist. Poor staffing is the creation of hospitals to allow deplorable working conditions, suppression of nursing autonomy/voice, compression of nursing salaries, stripping of nursing benefits.
Any time you allow a large influx of foreign workers into any profession the above occurs. Hospitals are only looking at their own bottom lines, they obviously do NOT care 1 fig about their nurses or they would have fixed these problems decades ago.
They are busy lobbying, spending huge monies, to change existing laws but too cheap to pay nurses what they are truly worth, however, they certainly pay themselves (CEOS, upper managements).
Maybe it is time for nurses to form corporations like MDs do and leave working for hospitals. Sell our services back to the hospitals. Why should hospitals be permitted any more to have nurses directly working for THEM after all the abuse we have suffered.
I am sure this cannot happen overnight but it is a thought. Already many ERs, smaller specialy units like OB have done just this.
Oct 23, '02Apols_UK,
I am a Filipina and a mature nursing student at a university in the UK.
You should be ashamed of the postings which you are placing.They are not answering the original quite reasonable request for information about our nurses,but merely levelling unjustified and ridiculous criticism of others.Not helpful at all.
Apols. Your own English is so excrutiatingly bad that it completely beggars belief as so how you dare criticise that of Florry.It is barely recognisable as Enlisyh.Don't you understand? Florry is a Norwegian! In Norway!(Note the use of capitals Apols -you don't seem to know about them) She does not have to be able to understand English to work in her own country,but like most Norwegians and other Europeans she does.Her English is much better than yours. Have you done nothing to try to improve it while in the UK.
I can hardly believe you have attended a British University.How on earth did you manage to write your assignments? For that matter how did you gain entry? At my university you would fail your first assignment on grammar alone,but on this site you have also demonstrated that you cannot read a question and answer it correctly. In the UK you cannot bribe your professor to give you a pass, as we can back home in the Philippines.I would like to see a copy of your thesis. What is the subject? A Masters? who are you kidding.So why are you just a senior staff nurse? That is what I will be within 1 year of getting my RN. Why are you not a senior manager? I think that you are suffering from an inferiority complex.You have wasted your time in the UK when you should have been taking advantage of what one of the greatest countries in the world has to offer you.
Now back to the original question posed by Gardengal.
It is only a few short months since you US started allowing the recruitment of Philippine nurses,after a ban on them for years. That is driven by severe shortage of nurses,which in the US, as in other advanced countries,has in itself been brought on by low pay and conditions compared to other professions.This means that nurses are sought from poorer countries(like mine) even though standards may be lower.Further education 'on the job' prior to registration is often needed.In the UK there are many Philippine-qualified nurses who are working as auxilliaries or carers because they have not been able to satisfy the requirement for RN. Some 85% of filipinos are employed in nursing homes,not hospitals.
Training of nurses in the Philippines is almost entirely in the hands of of private education facilities in it for the money.That is why the UK only recognises degrees from University of the Philippines(UP) for anything, not just nursing.The Philippines is one big diploma mill. What you can't pass you can buy.That is why there are state boards for every profession.For nursing there is no limit to the number of times you can sit the state board exam as long as you have the fee!Most students have to attend 'review centres'(cram schools) to get them up to scratch.Teaching in nurse schools is by rote, 'parrot fashion'.
Your course books will be listed by the school and you buy them. They are all you need.As long as you pay your course fees you will pass.The exams are so easy.Like everywhere, some students are brilliant,some are good and some poor.We have hundreds of colleges giving degrees.I have mine,but in the UK I had to study for an additional 3 years just to get up to their standard to enter University.The difference is that when I have finished I will have a qualification known and recognised throughout the world,not one which can be bought on any street corner in Manila!
Yes we do have some good nurses,especially the bright well-educated ones who have already worked for a while in other countries,and whose minds are open to new ideas.However,be warned. Nurses in the Philippines are still doctor's little helpers.As there is only one western standard hospital in the whole country, experience is lacking.Concepts such as the Nursing Process, Care pathways, reflective thinking,continuing education,research, and anything nurse-led are unknown. I never heard of Harvard Referencing until I came here.
In the Philippines,if you have money and are sick,you catch the next plane out to a proper facility.If you are poor,hospital is a last choice.(and often a final one!!!)
So there you have it folks.We have good and bad .Try to get the good, but remember the English (and American) saying,'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'!
All punctuation present and correct Apols?
This,by the way is the real Queens English. It is not hard to learn, but you can carry on with your Taglish.
Oct 23, '02<So why are you just a senior staff nurse? That is what I will be within 1 year of getting my RN. Why are you not a senior manager?>
Many nurses choose to spend their entire careers at the bedside & have no interest in being a manager. Its like comparing apples & oranges. They are entirely different lines of work. The only similarity is that both have a nursing degree. It doesnt mean the nurse who chooses not to be a manager is inferior.Last edit by -jt on Oct 23, '02
Oct 23, '02I live in San Francisco and I work with nurses from all over the world (including the Phillipines). I love it! I have worked in US facilities that were mostly Filipino and hated it because I did not understand the language or the culture. Now, I am not saying I hate Filipinos, I am saying that if I wanted to be immersed in the culture, then I'd move to the Phillipines. In my opinion, the US nursing problem is not with the foreign nurses, but with domestic nurses who are not working for change. Let's not play the blame game. It is but another dysfunctional behavior that keeps us divided.
Hopefully, I will be moving from the US to London in the spring. I am very excited about living and working in another country. For me it's all about the experience. I am sure it won't be easy, but I know the experience will be a positive one. I am sure there will be English nurses and patients who will not like me and will make generalizations about me based on my country of birth (US). I am sure there will be language problems too as I can have a real hard time with Cockney, Scottish and Welsh accents. In the end, my practice will benefit and so will I.Last edit by ANnot4me on Oct 23, '02
Oct 23, '02Hi there. Just registered today and was able to read what Florry has written about Filipino nurses. I don't want to brag about what I have achieved in 3 1/2 years working in the UK. But since the situation calls for it...well, I am a charge nurse working in a haematology/oncology ward for more than a year now. I have completed my ENB 998, ENB 237, a 2 month certificate in Palliative care. I have acted as assessor/mentor/preceptor to students and newly registered nurses. They all came from different countries, that includes Bristish nationals as well.
I used to hold the positions: charge nurse, infection control nurse, and quality control nurse prior to arriving in England March 1999.
Now tell me Florry, English is not my native language. I am FILIPINO, am proud of it. Haven't got much of an experience (only 10 years compared to you which is 25). I think before you comment about something, just think about it because you'll never know what people might think of you...just like the way you write. You don't spell properly, your English is quite appalling for someone claiming to be a teacher/specialist, working for 25 years in the UK?
I am just an example of how "bad" Filipinos work and how "bad" we speak the English language.
Oct 23, '02They all came from different countries, that includes Bristish nationals as well.
SORRY, I SPELT BRITISH AS BRISTISH.