Importing nurses from the Phillipines - page 6
My hospital is working on getting nurses from the Phillipines to fill some of our needs. We have been in the paper process for almost a year and now it looks like we actually will be getting some of... Read More
Oct 6, '02Originally posted by FTell001
keep your jobs..what keeps them from lowering the salaries you are currently getting? What if....they can hire them for a lot less money..give them a lot more patients to care for....and then you try getting management to listen to your complaints about pt. overload!
Oct 6, '02Gardengal:
I would contact the Philippine Nurses Association of America , know that they have an eastern chapter.
"The purpose of the Philippine Nurses Association of America is to provide an organization that will uphold the image and foster the welfare of Philippine Nurses in the United States as a professional nurse."
Tried to find contact info from website but unable. Since you are inPA, contact PSNA: 717-657-1222. Sure they can obtain info from ANA re regional group.
Yes look for Phillipine caterer for food for your event---check with Philly convention center for contact names. Champion assigned will help assimilate perosn to unit/culutre. What about housing resources in area, grocery stores, where to find consulate , post office etc. Put together a welcoming package of info about your area.
Oct 6, '02NRSKaren and -jt thanks for the links to the sites and helpful resources.
Thank you to everyone who has offered me helpful suggestions. I am committed to making this a positive experience for my new Phillipine nurse coworkers and for my existing coworkers at my hospital. I'm sure we'll have a few bumps in the road, but will continue to strive to make this a beneficial experience for all of us.
I am grateful to have a forum in which to air my questions and concerns.
Oct 7, '02<Most nurses in the US originated from the phillipines. In fact, close to 80 % !!>
That California educator or whoever it was gave you the wrong info. You might be doing her a favor if you directed her to where she can find the accurate information: The American Nurses Association & the US Department of Health and Human Services.
excerpt from the ANA website:
The US Registered Nurse-
Numbers and Demographics:
".......Roughly only 10 percent of the employed RN population come from non-Caucasian backgrounds. African-American RNs make up 4 percent of the population. Asian/Pacific Islanders account for 3.4 percent. Hispanics are 1.4 percent, and American Indian/Alaskan Natives are 0.4 percent of the US RN population. RNs of non-Caucasian background most often practice in the Middle and South Atlantic states, as well as the East, South Central, and Pacific states. (See Geographic Distribution).......
Pacific: Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington
.......This region had the largest portion (16 percent) of RNs from a non-Caucasian background, with the most represented group being Asian/Pacific Islander (9.5 percent). Also, the Pacific region included the largest portion (2.7 percent) of Hispanic RNs....
For data on Gender | Ethnic/Racial Background | Age | The Second-Career RN | Family Status | Basic Nursing Education | Advanced Nursing Education | Financing Nursing Education
RNS ON THE JOB: Hospitals | Community/Public Health | Ambulatory Care | Nursing Home/Extended Care | Other Areas
Job Duties | Position Titles and Average Annual Earnings | Certifications | Geographic Distribution, See: http://nursingworld.org/readroom/fsdemogr.htm
Moses, E.B. (1992, March). The Registered Nurse Population, Findings from the National Sample Survey of Registered Nurses, March 1992, U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Public Health Service, Division of Nursing, Health Resources and Services Administration; Notes from the National Sample Survey of Registered Nurses 1996, U.S. Department of Health & Human Services"Last edit by -jt on Oct 7, '02
Oct 7, '02vision 50/50 from north carolina: calling all filipino and filipino american nurses in the usa
reggie horwitz, bsn, rn
newsletter and website editor
pna north carolina
first, it was only a well-meaning wish, then a vision. later it be came a burning dream. now, it is reality, a living testimony of the faith of the pioneering filipino american nurses who came to the us to broaden their professional nursing practice as well as to seek greener pastures to provide for their families left in the philippines. since the coming of the first filipino nurses to america in the 1920s, the exodus of filipino nurses has repeated itself in predictable cycles. the us colonization of the philippines at the turn of the 20th century laid the foundation of the perpetuation of americanized nursing in the philippines. today, the legacy of america is so much alive in the lives of filipino nurses who now practice in most of the major continents of the world. there are an estimated 300,000 filipinos practicing as nurses abroad according to figures by poea (philippine overseas employment agency), 1/6th or approximately 50,000 of which are serving in america's huge health care system. what was this dream that was realized through the sweat and tears of our filipino nurse predecessors? it was a dream to organize the growing numbers of filipino nurses across the us. in 1979, the philippine nurses association of america was born. its mission to foster the positive image of filipino nurses in the us and present a unified voice that will further the visibility, viability and vitality of the filipino nurses. the roads traveled and paths taken by our nursing colleagues during the early years of the diaspora were bumpy, winding and risky. today, we enjoy the fruits of their labor. yet, the challenges that lay before us remain multifaceted and complex. the filipino nursing leaders of the past and the present had, have and will continuously toil tirelessly to champion the cause of filipino nurses in america. we are grateful to the american nurses association for their support and recognition of the contributions of the filipino nurses in caring for america. in some issues we may differ from ana, the latter has always demonstrated the spirit of collaboration, compromise, and professionalism in dealing with delicate issues that migrant nurses face. these efforts have resulted in a more equitable and conducive environment for foreign nurses. nevertheless, the complexity of today's healthcare landscape plus the uncertainty of the future of nursing in the us in the wake of a worsening nursing shortage has made it more urgent for the filipino nurses to band together in the spirit of camaraderie and compassion to step up and be counted. in this light, let us rise to the occasion. let us continue to uphold the ideals of the philippine nurses association whose humble beginnings date back to the 1920's. let us be visible as one pna in all 50 states and rally behind our colleagues in the ana on issues that threaten p u b l i c health as well as the very essence and existence of the nursing profession. if you are a filipino nurse or one with filipino heritage residing in the us today, let your voices be heard, let your unique needs be met, let your sacrifice count for the nurses of tomorrow and last but not least, celebrate your ethnicity, for america has always been built by people who look beyond their color and take pride in their uniqueness and origin. organize your own chapter of the pna in america. as of this writing, there are already pna chapters in 19 states of the us, spread out into 28 chapters across the usa. if you are in a state where no organized pna can be found, please visit pna-america.org or contact pna america and share a vision. you may also contact pna north carolina directly. mabuhay to the filipino american nurses!
Oct 7, '02Originally posted by Gardengal
My hospital is working on getting nurses from the Phillipines to fill some of our needs. We have been in the paper process for almost a year and now it looks like we actually will be getting some of these nurses in the next few months. Has anyone else gone this route? What were your challenges and surprizes. What did you discover you worried about needlessly?
Most important factors to be considered:
1. Communication and Presentation
2. Most of them are not prepared to ask questions to physicians
3. Cultural issues - Local culture..
4. Detailed hospital orientation
Many more.....but above factors are most important.
DB Healthcare, Inc.
Oct 7, '02Get it together guys!!! We need nurses here in the US. So...please don't snub the ones we get. Work with them. It takes guts to get on a plane, fly thousands of miles away from home (language, culture and family) and try to fit in. Please...give everybody a chance!!!
I have been on the other side of the coin too - have worked in military hospitals in Korea and Spain. We did exchanges with local hospitals for training purposes. Everyone was very friendly and went out of their way to make me feel welcome. Goodness knows I don't speak Korean and they were all wonderful. My Spanish is much better, but again I was never made to feel the outsider.
There is a lesson here for all us...treat people as you would like to be treated!!!!
Oct 7, '02It's not a race thing, not a nationality thing, not even a dividing thing. Simply put, if hospitals spent half the monies they spend on recruitment (foreign & domestic) -- including sign-on bonuses & retention bonuses -- to educate/train new nurses we might not have this "foreign" nurse question.
Tenet System just sent 8 of their recruiters to Great Britian, Scotland, Ireland. Each hospital got between 18-20 nurses. Those nurses will be ready to work in about 2 years, when they get their Green Cards (and some still have to take/pass Boards). Cost? About $20,000 each. How many US citizens could be put through 2-yr RN schools for that amount? (18 foreign nurses x 8 hospitals x $20,000 = $2,880,000.00).
Oct 7, '02I agree with your sentiments, Gomer, and think it will be a long time before the revolving door that is the worldwide nursing shortage comes to an end. However, realistically, I think it would cost the US government way more than $20,000 per student to put them through nursing school. Don't know the exact figures though, does anyone else have any idea??
Oct 7, '02<I think it would cost the US government way more than $20,000 per student to put them through nursing school. Don't know the exact figures though, does anyone else have any idea??>
They could go to any nursing program in the large NYC city university system for less than $5,000/yr. (as most NYC RNs have done). Or any nursing program in the New York State University system for about $8,000/yr. Its just a little more per year if not a NY state resident. $20,000 would be more than enough to finance their 2 yr nursing education here.
Oct 7, '02Really??!! I just would have thought it would have cost more than that - have to do a bit more research next time. I know over here the students pay about $4000 per year, but the University/government subsidises the students a lot more than they actually pay.
Oct 7, '02<Tenet System just sent 8 of their recruiters to Great Britian, Scotland, Ireland. Each hospital got between 18-20 nurses. >
Really??? Those countries are facing their own nursing shortages & our hospitals are over there luring more of them away?? In which state is this hospital system that did this?