Importing nurses from the Phillipines - page 4
My hospital is working on getting nurses from the Phillipines to fill some of our needs. We have been in the paper process for almost a year and now it looks like we actually will be getting some of... Read More
Oct 4, '02jt that is very interesting .....I know for a fact when I made the statement about the fillipino nurses having a hard way to go here in America that was exactly what I was talking about....I have seen it happen to many times to them and it was very distressing to know. Although I do not agree to recruit foreign nurses to fill the void I think AMerica need to re evaluate the nursing profession and make it desirable fOr AMerican Nurses to want to stay in the field...but that is neither here nor there at this point.
Oct 4, '02<thats what scares me to enter american soils. here in england foreign or not you are paid the same according to grading.>
Thats the way it is supposed to be here too. Employers will try to get away whatever you let them get away with but the laws & the union protects you. The foreign nurses above who were compensated are just a small sample of those who reported their employers illegal activity, put a stop to it, & got back what was owed to them because they used the laws that are here to protect them & they didnt just stand by timidly & allow themselves to be taken advantage of. Just know your rights & dont let anyone walk all over you.
Oct 5, '02i work with alot of filipino nurses here in vegas. on my unit (day shift) there are 5 full time filipino rns, one full time filipino lpn, one full time filipino cna, 1 fulltime filipino unit sec. and one perdium filipino rn. and these people i mean immigrated here in their adult yrs. other than this staff we have one vietnamese rn(not sure when she came here but was not born here), and the rest were born here. the rest include 3 full time rn, one perdium rn, 4 lpn, and a unit sec. we have recentley gotten a new manager that is filipino. i really like almost everyone i work with. i think the filipino staff is educated, hardworking, and fun. i'm not saying i agree that usa should be recruiting these nurses from their country instead of fixing the problems we nurses have here but just wanted to say that none of the filipino people i work with have difficulty communicating or performing their job. except the manager lol. that is a whole nuther story. and when push comes to shove they will stand up for their rights and speak up for others . we are all union here. the filipinos think it is funny that i had never heard of the phillipines prior to coming to vegas. i was in my early 20s and from a small town of 1400 people in tx. i told them after knowing them awhile and finding out about them that i guess i just assumed they were chinese when i first started to work with them. never really thought about it at the time. anyways, please noone take this post as prejudicial in any way. i love all my co-workers(except a couple i detest, having nothing to do with race or culture).
Oct 5, '02I just don't like seeing foreign people being brought here and taxpayer money or hospital profit being used to train them thru scholarships and living expenses. Why not help Americans get training? (not happening where I live) Seems to me our history is full of foreign people being brought here as cheap labor. Even during colonial times there were indentured servants. Now if some one already had training or comes here and pays for it themselves thats different.
Oct 5, '02the nurses in know did already have training. as someone already said, many had a bsn prior to coming here. i personally know some who worked as cnas until they passed the boards here. english is a required second language throughout school in the philipines. also know a couple who passed lpn/ but not rn boards and are now working as lpns even though in the philipines they have a bsn. i'm sure there are programs paying for expenses for some nurses, but not nearly all.
Oct 5, '02<I just don't like seeing foreign people being brought here and taxpayer money or hospital profit being used to train them thru scholarships and living expenses.>
The 'foreign people' being recruited from the Phillipines for nursing postions in the US already are RNs. Most, if not all, already have BSNs.
I dont know where you heard that taxpayer money is being used to bring over 'foreigners' to become nurses at our expense. I think something is being misunderstood somewhere along the line.
Oct 5, '02<Why not help Americans get training? (not happening where I live)>
Then you need to contact your state legislators and ask them why its not happening where you live. Also, your state nurses association probably has something in the works on financial support for nursing students in the state legislature. You might want to contact them & see how you can help get it passed.
And if you want to 'help Americans get trained', you should know that that help is available by law now but its implementation is being held up at the moment by Congress. You need to contact your Congressman & Senator & tell them to appropriate the $250 million to the Nurse Reinvestment Act that the President just signed into law for that nurses training, financial support, scholarships, grants, loans, & expansions of so the law can get into effect & the financial support & training can get started NOW.
If you dont know about the Nurse Reinvestment Act or what it will be able to do for Americans who want to become nurses, you can look it up at http://www.Nursingworld.org
or do a search for it on this site. Lots of info posted.
Oct 5, '02I don't worry about the QUALITY of the nurses being imported...but I do worry about our chances of "fixing" the patient nurse ratio...and about improvement of the many problems the USA nurses face. Don't you think that having these nurses come in and work under the conditions we are working under will only undermine any chances to improve the nursing work conditions we face????
Oct 5, '02<Don't you think that having these nurses come in and work under the conditions we are working under will only undermine any chances to improve the nursing work conditions we face????>
Yes. Exactly. And thats what nurses are testifying to before Congress. But more of us need to speak about it to them too, be it with phone calls, emails, letters, or postcards because they are now being lobbied by the hospital associations to change the immigration law & allow hundreds of thousands more foreign nurses to be recruited - without a cap or limit on the number, & with less qualifications, less credentials, less testing, & less restrictions - all because the hospitals dont want to do what they must do to make their jobs more attractive to US nurses.
"ANA condemns the practice of recruiting nurses to countries where authorities have failed to address human resource planning and problems that cause nurses to leave the profession and discourage them from returning. The ANA believes that the U.S. health care industry has failed to maintain a work environment conducive to safe, quality nursing practice and one which retains experienced U.S. nurses in patient care. Therefore, the practice of changing immigration law to facilitate the use of foreign-educated nurses is a short-term solution that serves ONLY the interests of the hospital industry, NOT the interests of patients, domestic nurses, or foreign-educated nurses."
Oct 5, '02I thank everyone who has replied to my query, and agree that the recruitment issue is a multifaceted one. The retention issues are real, as is the need to consider the impact to the countries from where the foreign nurses are coming.
It seems many of us agree that there are varied skills of nurses regardless of their country of origin. I know that there was a screening of nurses in the application process for the nurses who are coing to my hospital from the Phillipines. My question was not so much about was it right to bring them here though, it was more to seek guidance from others so that I may help to assist them in their transition to a new country, city, hospital and work group.
I wonder if some of the nurses who have traveled from one country to another to work might have ideas to share with me about what might have made your transitions easier when you moved to a new country. I recognize that some of my coworkers might not be as welcoming as others, and would like to try to assist in the orientation, welcome and integration of our new colleagues into my workplace
Oct 5, '02Gardengal--well you certainly opened a can of worms, nonetheless. Certain topics just seem to be volatile, don't they?
One suggestion I have--at some point, like after the first couple weeks of orientation, when you have a meeting with all the nurses, including the new Filipino ones, you might think of having some food, or at least some snacks, catered by a Phillipino company.
Those whom I have worked with feel VERY special about lumpa and many pastel-colored desert items whose names I don't know (and don't taste good to me), and it might make them feel more at home and give other nurses a chance to taste some of this food and chat about it. (At least it would be more thoughtful than pizza.)
(Now I suppose I'll get flamed for that, as well. From the pizza-lovers.)
Oct 5, '02Have you thought of buddying them up with native nurses? We did this informally on the unit when we had a few foreigners from the Phillipines and Hong Kong come. I acted as a buddy for one from HK. All it entailed was calling her to see how she was doing and taking her out for coffee once in a while after a shift just so that she had someone to talk to and ask questions to. The idea was to lessen the loneliness and isolation some new immigrants feel. It was a really positive experience for me (she even taught me how to cook some Chinese food!) and the other nurses who did it as well.
Oct 5, '02Thanks for the ideas. I think buddying them up would be a good idea...a companion and a champion if need be. I also like the idea of food....always a winner. I never thought about looking for a Phillipine caterer-I guess I'll hit the Yellow pages or maybe there's a Phillipine society I can contact for help.