Implications of Obamacare... what's your opinion? - page 3

by Nurse_AV

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I've read and heard a lot of things about Obamacare. I'd like to hear what other nurses think the implications, if any, that Obamacare will have on their jobs. And where do you work? Nursing home? Hospital? Dialysis center? Home... Read More


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    This is interesting from the OECD study as well:

    Heath Insurance coverage for core set of services (Rank 4th lowest out of 34 countries) and Private Health Insurance coverage, by type




    (This doesn't show America on this chart, but it shows Iceland's waiting times for cancer treatment, and they rank higher than us on cancer #1, medical tourism #1 and they have public coverage)



    They have a high amount of CT scanners at #3 (America is behind Japan, Australia, Korea and Iceland)




    This shows Iceland, a publicly funded health system, is #1 in 5 year breast cancer survival (our highest ranking in the entire study)



    Most in the analysis did not offer National Cancer Control Plans before 2002, those who rank higher typically had this plan earlier, accounting for the differences


    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Yes Duckfan, it is alarming to see so many in our profession not understand the implications of Obamacare. I would you include you in that group.

    There is nothing in Obamacare that will lower the costs for everyone. Insurance premiums are already rising. And as far as the services themselves, what exactly is in place to lower those costs?

    You say "it will have to get worse before it gets better". Well, it is getting worse. When selling Obamacare, I never heard anyone tell us it would get worse first, did you? Can you name a time when the President said anything like "it will hurt a bit in the beginning"?

    Cajunsue has less she can put in her FSA due directly to Obamacare. That means she is going to pay more in taxes, and have less to spend on her family's healthcare and costs of living. How is this going to help her?
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    Jolie,

    "Obamacare" was used long before the President was elected. The Tea Party wasn't around until after. Do a google search for those terms for 2007 and you'll see many for "Obamacare", and nothing referring to the modern-day Tea Party.

    Hilliary Clinton was appointed by Bill to head a task force in charge of healthcare reform. Thus, "Hilliarycare".

    As someone who has been to Tea Party events, I have never seen the President portrayed as a baboon. I'm sure you saw a picture on the internet somewhere of some oddball freak at a TP event, or possibly someone planted to make the TP look bad, and that gives you license to say that the Tea Party is a racist movement.

    I have said in other threads that for many liberals, they have to believe that conservatives have evil intent in order to make sense of their own political leanings. You taking something so benign as the terms "Obamacare" and "Hilliarycare" and giving it racist and sexist connotations only supports my theory.

    About the paper...yes, they did use OECD statistics, and they did make the U.S. appear higher then OECD the statistics show. That was the point. Do you not give any credence to the approximately 80 sources they cited to show that the U.S. is actually comparitively better then what those statistics indicate?
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    Give us a break.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jan 11, '13 : Reason: TOS/divisive
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    Quote from SC_RNDude
    Jolie,

    "Obamacare" was used long before the President was elected. The Tea Party wasn't around until after. Do a google search for those terms for 2007 and you'll see many for "Obamacare", and nothing referring to the modern-day Tea Party.

    Hilliary Clinton was appointed by Bill to head a task force in charge of healthcare reform. Thus, "Hilliarycare".

    As someone who has been to Tea Party events, I have never seen the President portrayed as a baboon. I'm sure you saw a picture on the internet somewhere of some oddball freak at a TP event, or possibly someone planted to make the TP look bad, and that gives you license to say that the Tea Party is a racist movement.

    I have said in other threads that for many liberals, they have to believe that conservatives have evil intent in order to make sense of their own political leanings. You taking something so benign as the terms "Obamacare" and "Hilliarycare" and giving it racist and sexist connotations only supports my theory.

    About the paper...yes, they did use OECD statistics, and they did make the U.S. appear higher then OECD the statistics show. That was the point. Do you not give any credence to the approximately 80 sources they cited to show that the U.S. is actually comparitively better then what those statistics indicate?
    Look at the numerous amounts of evidence: Flickr: Tea_Party_Racism_Truth's Photostream

    (Over 100 screenshots of their racist comments... and only to page 36 or so of their website out of 100's of pages)

    Look at their main website:teaparty.org (They claim he is illegitimate, then look at the comments, I'm sure you will see racism)

    Look at this link on teapartypatriots.org
    Should You Care About Obamacare State Exchanges? | Tea Party ...

    255 comments and recent links close to this (from this December, 2012) exposing the TP racism. As you can see on another page, there are many who claim the president was born in Kenya... there is another page which calls him a "monkeyface." There is another page where people make sexist comments, immigration comments, and claim "the American South was the best society, until the civil war ended it" and yelling ethnocentrically against someone named "British Voice"

    Of course, this isn't even including the numerous interviews, photos, and recordings of their racism.

    People are not "planted" there. I have heard many of you people claim this, and it is really funny as you pretend that these thousands of people, who regularly comment, attend your events, and sponsor you are "plants." You obviously know nothing about "liberals" as you claim, as they are not racist so they wouldn't even joke about it even if it was to supposedly "plant" something. Nor do they even care. The entire world knows how racist they are.

    There are plenty of racist people in 2007, and the TP were just ready to rear their heads as an "official" movement by putting "Obamacare" on their racist signs.

    I saw their sources, but their statistics come from the OECD, which they fail to cite, and when they do it is indirectly on their list. The OECD supports their entire paper, when in fact, it does not.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jan 11, '13
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    WILL EVERYONE JUST STOP USING THE TERM "Obama Care." It was started and used by extreme racism at Tea Party rallies in 2009 (and still is being used). It has the same implications as "Hillary Care" did in the 1990's of having sexist motives.

    This is very saddening to see people using racist terms and not even noticing it is racist...
    Excellent satire!

    Where's that 'thumbs up' smiley?
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    Was Romneycare racist? Was Hillarycare sexist? That's ridiculous. These terms simply make reference to ideas which have a common understanding. Who else was president when the health care system was revised?
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    Quote from subee
    Mediocrity for all.
    Our current outcomes are pretty mediocre ...
    Last edit by tewdles on Feb 5, '13
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    Is avoiding the use of the term "Obamacare" a means of denying the President a major part of His legacy?
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    I am not certain how our language could impact any legacy that a president has...
    Calling the ACA "Obamacare" is simply using a term coined with the intent to criticize rather than using the proper term.
    Will it affect the legacy of this president, doubtful, IMHO.


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