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If we had a conservative nurses forum - page 11

Would anyone post in it? :clown: I looked forward to being a nurse for so long....my second thoughts aren't because of nurses eating their own (I have never seen that!) or hours or mean docs... Read More

  1. Visit  DosmoRN profile page
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    Otessa, I agree. I never have joined the ANA for the same reason (and I was a nurse for MANY years)
    Funny, how normally well mannered people, even nurses, don't mind disparaging (a polite word) co/workers whose politics are different then theirs. This is a highly charged political atmosphere. I remember back as far as Pres. Truman and have NEVER seen such hostility between Political Parties! Every president I remember was very careful, when in office, not to bash the other party. They considered themselves president of the WHOLE country.

    When they were critical of others, it was usually "some people" who think, want, believe or complain... Every one knew who they meant, but it didn't insult any one personally! Of course, it was a more polite era to begin with. But the poisonous political atmosphere today makes me wonder where our country is headed.
    Someone wondered why conservatives are more comfortable on a conservative blog. Well, it's just nice not to feel we are facing adversaries all the time.
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  2. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    There is danger in living in a political and media bubble.
    It is frightening the number of otherwise well educated people who refuse to read an informative and well conducted research paper because it comes from a "liberal" source. Or won't read a cited article because it is assumed to be biased. That experience is common on AN. I have had participants refuse to read a scholarly article from Yale and later post a link to an opinion piece from The Blaze. Go figure.

    When you exist in a philosophical bubble you run the danger of believing that the echo of voices indicates validity.
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  3. Visit  DosmoRN profile page
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    d'cm. If I had time and space I would talk about the "general welfare of the People". I guess you have already decided that the ACA meets that requirement (and probably other things as well). I believe "general welfare" doesn't necessarily mean government meeting all our physical needs. (If allowed to, the community can meet many needs, and enjoy doing it) I think the people are better off when they have incentives to work, proving their worth and abilities thereby. I think the general welfare is enhanced when people are free to create, imagine and produce within relatively few constrictions by the federal government. And I do not consider "profit" a dirty word. Profit is the stimulus for most of the great inventions and achievements of the modern world. You don't believe all the inventions and progress of the United States came from altruistic motives do you?

    Social programs are needed, as a temporary measure. We provide a better future for the poor, and the country as a whole when we help people become independent in as many ways as they can. (You know, give a man a fish...versus teach him how to fish.) As others have noted, if too many people are riding in the wagon, then who is able to PULL the wagon. A lot of our patients resist rehab. It is hard!
    but should we let them quit because they don't like it?

    Why is it than when someone wants to have a "Conservative" blog, Liberals flock to it to air THEIR opinions. You don't get enough chance to do that otherwise? (BTW The WHO is not beyond criticism for their statistical methods.)
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  4. Visit  DosmoRN profile page
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    I agree, I'd rather just do my job when I'm at work. I don't discuss politics at work because it just doesn't help teamwork as a rule. I don't mind debate when I'm on my own time.
  5. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    Quote from DosmoRN
    Why is it than when someone wants to have a "Conservative" blog, Liberals flock to it to air THEIR opinions. You don't get enough chance to do that otherwise? (BTW The WHO is not beyond criticism for their statistical methods.)
    Hopefully you are not confusing this thread with an actual conservative blog, of which there are many. Why are you not interested in the opinions of liberals? It surely seems to me that many a liberal on AN actively asks the opinions of conservatives.
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  6. Visit  DosmoRN profile page
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    Toomuchbaloney.
    Sorry. I misused the word "blog". I meant "thread". The original message was about having a " "conservative nurse forum"
    What if the "conservative" isn't interested in explaining their opinions AGAIN to a Liberal whose only goal is not to have "a reasonable, intelligent discussion" (as they say) but express not only their disagreement, but usually their hostility.

    I WAS interested in hearing from other conservatives.
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  7. Visit  SubSippi profile page
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    Quote from DosmoRN
    d'cm. If I had time and space I would talk about the "general welfare of the People". I guess you have already decided that the ACA meets that requirement (and probably other things as well). I believe "general welfare" doesn't necessarily mean government meeting all our physical needs. (If allowed to, the community can meet many needs, and enjoy doing it) I think the people are better off when they have incentives to work, proving their worth and abilities thereby. I think the general welfare is enhanced when people are free to create, imagine and produce within relatively few constrictions by the federal government. And I do not consider "profit" a dirty word. Profit is the stimulus for most of the great inventions and achievements of the modern world. You don't believe all the inventions and progress of the United States came from altruistic motives do you?

    Social programs are needed, as a temporary measure. We provide a better future for the poor, and the country as a whole when we help people become independent in as many ways as they can. (You know, give a man a fish...versus teach him how to fish.) As others have noted, if too many people are riding in the wagon, then who is able to PULL the wagon. A lot of our patients resist rehab. It is hard!
    but should we let them quit because they don't like it?

    Why is it than when someone wants to have a "Conservative" blog, Liberals flock to it to air THEIR opinions. You don't get enough chance to do that otherwise? (BTW The WHO is not beyond criticism for their statistical methods.)
    The government providing its citizens with access to health insurance is a far cry from meeting all our physical needs. A lot of the people who benefit from the ACA are employed, and did not have jobs that offered health insurance. These people are paying for their health insurance, it's not free, either.

    I agree that people are better off when they have incentives to work. But it seems like what a lot of people are actually angry about is Medicaid and welfare, which are the programs that provide free benefits to those who are (often times) unemployed.
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  8. Visit  DosmoRN profile page
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    I agree Saysfaa. that "liberals dominate education and the media which results in slogans and catch phrases from liberals and explanations from conservatives." Few Liberals, when they ask your Conservative opinion, really want to know. So while you are still trying to explain something, they interrupt with THEIR argument. Then you can't get back to what you were trying to explain because they continue to argue and interrupt until you can't remember what point you were trying to make. Whew!
    Most of the Conservatives I've met through work (there haven't been too many) are quieter and want to focus mainly on their work.

    I've also found, by listening to liberals who, by explaining not potificating, reveal that they are more conservative than they might like to admit. I had a roomate, a lifelong Democrat, who explained to me all that she felt about the USA, politics and approaches to defense and social welfare (That was well before the present super heated political environment). I asked, "are you SURE you are not a Republican?" We agreed on so much! Then before I knew it, she registered as a Republican and has been one for 20 yrs now. I'll be glad when members of both parties can once more find the things they have in common as Americans and speak as friends.

    BTW, Don't worry about your spelling. And know that the latest guides for business communications say it is NO LONGER always correct to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition.. They recommend you simply write in a way that sounds natural and unaffected!
  9. Visit  SubSippi profile page
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    Quote from DosmoRN
    Few Liberals, when they ask your Conservative opinion, really want to know. So while you are still trying to explain something, they interrupt with THEIR argument. Then you can't get back to what you were trying to explain because they continue to argue and interrupt until you can't remember what point you were trying to make. Whew!
    Most of the Conservatives I've met through work (there haven't been too many) are quieter and want to focus mainly on their work.
    Interrupting and not listening to others isn't a liberal OR conservative thing. It's just a person thing. People tend to do that when they're talking about a topic that they have a strong opinion on. Also, it's possible you feel that way because you're conservative, so anybody interrupting you or arguing with you about your beliefs is going to be liberal.

    Some people do it more than others, but it's silly to assign a specific characteristic to an enormous group of people.

    Although I have a large group of very liberal friends, I am from the deeeeeep, deep South, and have almost always been the only person at work with liberal viewpoints. There have been numerous times when a coworker finds out that I'm liberal, and immediately begins harassing me, telling me how wrong I am, and making sure they bring in others to join in on the fun. So, it might seem to me that conservatives are the ones who don't listen and interrupt. It's a perspective issue.

    And I assure you, most liberals aren't really conservatives who just got confused, any more than people with conservative views are secretly liberal. Most people know how they feel, and feel that way for a reason.

    Maybe you've encountered some of those who are more moderate, agreeing with some conservative views, but still identify mostly with democrats, so they choose to label themselves as such.
  10. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    I believe that most people could say that they have viewpoints on each side of the political fence. If the facts are presented in a neutral way.

    Unenrolled, moderate--whichever way you slice it, as American Citizens we all have rights to believe what we want to. Based on our own set of beliefs.

    I agree with the pp that any number of people agree with some conservative viewpoints, and some liberal viewpoints. But seemingly, conservative politicial viewpoints seem to be all or nothing. So regardless of the parts of the conservative viewpoint one believes, people will identify more with a liberal viewpoint. Which is, well, more liberal.
  11. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    Quote from DosmoRN
    Toomuchbaloney.
    Sorry. I misused the word "blog". I meant "thread". The original message was about having a " "conservative nurse forum"
    What if the "conservative" isn't interested in explaining their opinions AGAIN to a Liberal whose only goal is not to have "a reasonable, intelligent discussion" (as they say) but express not only their disagreement, but usually their hostility.

    I WAS interested in hearing from other conservatives.
    It is nice when conservatives are able to answer questions about their beliefs. Just like when we are in college, it is informative to consider and provide a concise and factual summary of the situation and your thoughts about it.
  12. Visit  mmc51264 profile page
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    not all nursing organizations are liberal. I live in NC and the association here took NO position on the non-expansion of Medicaid here. It is costing nurses money because the hospitals are having to "eat" the costs of the 500,000 that would have qualified for a fully funded expansion. Our education is 46th in the nation-teachers have not gotten a raise in about 6 years (that is how long I have been out of education). We have a Rep governor and a Rep House and Senate. Everything is about tax cuts for big business, fracking. I consider myself just slightly left of center, but I am having to work for little money and my pt ratios have gone up because my hospital lost about 150 million b/c of the non-expansion. I think one extreme or the other is not beneficial to anyone. I don't even want to get started on the VA issues. We spend all this money on wars but then don't take care of these poor boys that come home destroyed.
  13. Visit  toomuchbaloney profile page
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    Quote from mmc51264
    not all nursing organizations are liberal. I live in NC and the association here took NO position on the non-expansion of Medicaid here. It is costing nurses money because the hospitals are having to "eat" the costs of the 500,000 that would have qualified for a fully funded expansion. Our education is 46th in the nation-teachers have not gotten a raise in about 6 years (that is how long I have been out of education). We have a Rep governor and a Rep House and Senate. Everything is about tax cuts for big business, fracking. I consider myself just slightly left of center, but I am having to work for little money and my pt ratios have gone up because my hospital lost about 150 million b/c of the non-expansion. I think one extreme or the other is not beneficial to anyone. I don't even want to get started on the VA issues. We spend all this money on wars but then don't take care of these poor boys that come home destroyed.
    But that is precisely the republican policy on these matters...and their constituents support that sort of thinking.
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