HEY GOP: Attacking Hillary Isn't a Health Plan - page 4

when even a magazine called "the american conservative" counsels] the republican presidential candidates that they can't live on hillary-hate alone, something is happening. as nurses fighting for... Read More

  1. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from stevielynn
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    Generalizations get us ALL in trouble. :spin:

    steph
    I am guilty of generalizing too.
    But I think we can try to be honest.
    To me there is a BIG difference between a person who contributes.
    I can respect a person who doesn't trust "the government" who does try to help through charity or volunteering.


    To me the curruption of individuals embezzling from the United Way or the Red Cross won't cause me to abandon charitable giving.
    Likewise currupt individuals won't make me give up on our government of the people.


    But I find myself no option but prayer for those whose attitude is, "Health care is a privilege that must be earned. If you earn enough to provide for your family but are denied insurance, you must give up all comfort and security to pay for medical treatment. Sell your house. When you are destitute and sick go to the ER."
  2. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from CRNA2007
    This woman isn't even qualified to be a CNA (no offense to CNAs) but people are so willing to turn over 1/7th of the US economy to her? The only record Hillary has on health care is a FAILED policy that was soundly defeated in the early 90's. If you want a good health plan in this country the you get an education get a good job and you will have health care.

    whoa, pretty harsh...
  3. by   HM2VikingRN
    My comment to steph was not meant as condescending or backhanded in the least. It was a genuine expression of appreciation for her work in Vietnam.

    I am quite aware that people on both sides of the aisle volunteer of their time and talents to make the world a better place and I was simply trying to recognize that as a real phenomenon. No maleficence was meant or implied with my comment.
  4. by   Jolie
    Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your remark, especially since it was not directed at me, but another poster whom I admire.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Hey you two - I'm having a really rough morning and coming on here to read the last few comments brightened my day.

    Thanks!

    steph
  6. by   Yosemite, RN
    Quote from MAISY, RN-ER
    Who will make the decision who can have children? The government? Wouldn't that be too much interference? A: No one. Ideally, you have kids you can't pay for, they are taken away (just as they are now), but mother and father are sterilized. For every freedom, there is great responsibility.

    You have valid points, and I believe people should put their money where their mouths are, but that works two ways. You have an American president who with family money went to Yale and made C grades. College wasn't important-he didn't have to sacrifice to be there. This is a man who doesn't have a clue what sacrifice, student loans, not being able to afford food, medicine, clothing or decent housing is. Yet this man and so many like him tell the people "to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to get the American dream" It's very easy to say.....somewhat like your statement about liberal actors and their own money. Lip service is just that, no matter who spews it! A: I certainly didn't vote for him, nor would I vote for Democrat OR Republican... flip side of the same coin, i.e., good cop/bad cop switching roles with the goal of one world government where only the super rich profit from the labor of the masses.

    I agree the drug companies are taking advantage of our system and should be stopped! Why are kids coming out of college and making six figures to become drug reps. That's sick! Doctors prescribing for perks instead of what is necessary for the patient's best recovery. A: You've got THAT right.

    Again, illegals:angryfire-why does everyone blame them for these problems. A: They are not to blame, only another symptom of the problem.

    My husband's friend's wife took ill in France-she was hospitalized for 3 weeks. No bill has ever been sent(5 years ago). This is not the only instance of foreign hospitalization and care I have heard written off. A: So, WHO paid for it? The taxpayer of France, that's who.

    What exactly do you think they are getting? I work in an ER, I can tell you not much... A: BUT, MUCH more than they would get in Mexico... AND for FREE!

    As for Hillary, you don't have to like her....you don't have to like what she stands for. Her history of public service began in college, as did her husband's. I would wager that those with the loudest voices against her, offer the least to their communities. They are the ones with NIMBY, "in my day....", "not my problem", "damn immigrants", "speak English", blah blah blah blah. A: Public "SERVICE?!?!?" More like a "government career." Yes, "in my day," people were expected to pay their own way, assume responsibility for themselves and their undertakings. Of course, things happened, unfortunate events, etc. THAT's what welfare and social programs are for... NOT for career recipiants, corporate welfare, subsidizing the health care of cheap/near slave labor from other countries who are criminals for just being here... JUST as those who hire them are and the politicians who ignore the problem for their own "governmental careers."

    I say be part of the solution....instead of supporting the problem. Come up with good ideas, find out why people suffer and see how you can alleviate it. A: People suffer because the "free market" has been destroyed by overtaxation (to support governmental careers), government interference, corporate greed/racketerring, etc.

    At least CRNA2007 finally has someone to thank, however, it appears your eyes are opened. Maybe someday his will be. A: My eyes are opened to the fact that certain "global interests" have positioned good people to DEMAND that their government change from a Republican form to Socialist. I repeat, we Americans are DEMANDING that our way of life be changed, instead of fixing the problem and returning to the form of government that built this nation.
    Maisy

    Remember, Nazi Germany was a Socialist form of government...
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
    Nazi Germany was a totalitarian regime.

    I do not think an anti-Semite racist could be elected President of the United States.

    For about 45 years I have found that once there is a comrarison to Hitler and/or Nazi Germany the discussion is finished.

    Maybe we can go back the discussing healthcare politics in the United States and maybe other democracies.
  8. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from spacenurse
    Nazi Germany was a totalitarian regime.

    I do not think an anti-Semite racist could be elected President of the United States.

    For about 45 years I have found that once there is a comrarison to Hitler and/or Nazi Germany the discussion is finished.

    Maybe we can go back the discussing healthcare politics in the United States and maybe other democracies.
    Good point, some people manage to work the Nazis into any conversation.

    Just a reminder, the Nazis were a little more extreme than, for example, the current President. They systematically rounded up and exterminated millions of innocent men, women, and children in gas chambers, and then burned them in mass crematoriums after sending other concentration camp inmates to remove any gold fillings in their teeth.
  9. by   Yosemite, RN
    [quote=spacenurse;2466480]Nazi Germany was a totalitarian regime.

    Actually, Germany at that time WAS Socialist. Check the history... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055111/Nazi-Party

    Now, as to healthcare reform, redistribution of wealth has never worked, i.e., socialism, communism, etc. Take away a person's incentive to better themselves through working harder, working smarter, struggling for self improvement, etc., only breeds corruption, complacancy and mediocracy. This is evident by the decline of the United States as we move further and further towards socialism.
  10. by   FireStarterRN
    [quote=Yosemite, RN;2466593]
    Quote from spacenurse
    Nazi Germany was a totalitarian regime.

    Actually, Germany at that time WAS Socialist. Check the history... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055111/Nazi-Party

    Now, as to healthcare reform, redistribution of wealth has never worked, i.e., socialism, communism, etc. Take away a person's incentive to better themselves through working harder, working smarter, struggling for self improvement, etc., only breeds corruption, complacancy and mediocracy. This is evident by the decline of the United States as we move further and further towards socialism.
    Oh, is it now? Do you have concrete studies and evidence to cite for your statement?

    I read a study that showed that 100% of violent felons eat bread, thus concluding that bread eating causes violent crime.
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    I do NOT believe the people of the United States would elect a racist anti-Semite as President.
    The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. I know it kept the name "socialist" when taking over that party but did NOT implement socialist policies when they had total power.
    Quite the opposite. Nazi Germany took over corporations as tools of the regime. Some think the opposite is happening in the U.S.A., corporations are controling much of the government for profit and corporate power.

    Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state.
    In Nazi Germany information and ideas were effectively organized through the control of radio, the press, and education at all levels.
    Nazi Germany did not provide healthcare to all residents. Quite the opposite.

    Nazi fascism's ideology included a racial theory which denigrated "non-Aryans," extreme nationalism which called for the unification of all German-speaking peoples, the use of private paramilitary organizations to stifle dissent and terrorize opposition, and the centralization of decision-making by, and loyalty to, a single leader.

    The Nazi dictator claimed to envision a corporative state socialism, but members of the party who supported such an economic system over private enterprise were purged from the party in 1934.

    We the people must remain informed. We must not allow a dictator to take away our freedom.
    To me ensuring access to healthcare is a good idea. Morally I cannot accept that people are allowed to do without basic human needs in my country without working to rectify what to me is wrong.

    I don't think Ireland, Switzerland, Luxemburg, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada, France, Greece, Denmark, Great Britian, Japan, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Israel, Cyprus, Portugal, The Netherlands, Belgium, Iceland, and other countries that attempt ensure healthcare are nazi regimes.
    Not even present day Germany.
  12. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from spacenurse

    I don't think Ireland, Switzerland, Luxemburg, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada, France, Greece, Denmark, Great Britian, Japan, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Israel, Cyprus, Portugal, The Netherlands, Belgium, Iceland, and other countries that attempt ensure healthcare are nazi regimes.
    Not even present day Germany.
    I believe the nations you cite by and large enjoy longer life expectancies than "The Greatest Nation on Earth".
  13. by   sharona97
    [QUOTE=Yosemite, RN;2466593]
    Quote from spacenurse
    Nazi Germany was a totalitarian regime.

    Actually, Germany at that time WAS Socialist. Check the history... http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055111/Nazi-Party

    Now, as to healthcare reform, redistribution of wealth has never worked, i.e., socialism, communism, etc. Take away a person's incentive to better themselves through working harder, working smarter, struggling for self improvement, etc., only breeds corruption, complacancy and mediocracy. This is evident by the decline of the United States as we move further and further towards socialism.
    Yosemite RN:
    How can a battered woman, who now lives in a safe place with her children, working, saving for a place of their own, I.E. struggling for self improvement,
    be categorized as breeding corruption, complacancy and mediocracy in this country?
    Last edit by sharona97 on Oct 27, '07 : Reason: added verbage

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