Is healthcare a right or privilege? - page 5

by Treat et Street 16,556 Views | 132 Comments

If it is a right, then we have some work to do. If a privelidge, you get what you can pay for, right? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.... Read More


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    Quote from tewdles
    Review your zoology if you think that animals do not sacrifice self for benefit of group...altruism.
    First, that only occurs in a few mammals not the majority. Also... It is NOT altruism but survival as I said. Does one take a bullet for the president because of altruism? No... It's because of the realization that that person is more important to the nations survival than I am. Altruism means UNSELFISH. That means you have no motive other than the other person. Even subconscious motives.

    Therefore not altruism.

    You are patently uninformed if you think that people in the USA do NOT die for lack of access to meaningful healthcare.
    I quite specifically said it isn't our problem unless we choose it to be.

    Your comments that "everyone dies" is a bit amusing to a Hospice nurse.
    Are we pulling experience cards here?

    You are free to minimize discrimination to only those actions or attitudes which break the law...that, however, does not change the definition of the word.
    Nope, I merely minimize discrimination to it's definition. Which this does not qualify as.

    Do you want to have a discussion about the teachings of MLK or Jesus?
    No need. They BOTH espoused personal accountability and responsibility. It's your contention that demanding personal accountability and responsibility for one's actions is discriminatory and therefore you are the one pointing out their discriminatory behavior. I merely point out the silliness of the argument.
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    Look...you can twist words and definitions any ol' way you want...I am not going to get into a peeing contest with you.

    You have your opinion and I have mine...I am content to leave it at that.

    That is what makes our country great...just not perfect.
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Jan 29, '10
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    I'll make sure to tell the State Surveyors at our next annual survey that our Medicaid Residents don't have a right to health care!!! Wonder what they will say to that!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote from Bella'sMyBaby
    I'll make sure to tell the State Surveyors at our next annual survey that our Medicaid Residents don't have a right to health care!!! Wonder what they will say to that!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
    Hah... I work at a private pay facility. As far as we are concerned they don't. HAH

    Nah, children, disabled people and elderly DO have a right to healthcare as far as I am concerned.

    Able bodied working age people don't. I state that proudly. They need to CONTRIBUTE to society.
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    onekidney is back?
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    I just had this debate with a bunch of people in a philosophy forum!

    My take: whether healthcare is a right or a privilege is COMPLETELY meaningless. Really. Healthcare is essential for society to function properly. If you want to live in a civilized, productive society, you MUST provide healthcare. Complaining that it isn't a "right" misses the point that sometimes life isn't fair; you might not like the fact that it is necessary, but it is. So is some form of government; so are prisons (which your tax dollars ALSO go to support. Maybe we should just be executing felons, it would save money!); so is public education.

    Substitute healthcare for education. Can you imagine ever having a debate about whether or not we should be providing free education to children? Can you imagine people complaining that their taxes shouldn't go to provide public education for someone else's children (and, sadly, this does happen)? There are many families who could never afford to send their children to school if school cost money, or even if there was no bus service. They would also benefit from putting their kids to work instead of sending them to school. Maybe we should be pushing for that, eh?

    Without taxes going to support social services, or some way of providing and delivering social services to those who could not afford them otherwise, you don't have a country. You have Somalia. The fact that an organization that usually provides free care to impoverished, underdeveloped nations recently set up a free clinic in Tennessee should be considered a national shame.

    The strange thing about all this is that between providing healthcare and enshrining free speech, healthcare is far more important when it comes to extending your lifespan. Yet one is considered a right and one is not.
    Last edit by springing on Jan 30, '10
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    No one ever died because they could not do long division, or diagram a sentence. But people ARE dying because they have no access to healthcare. Or cannot afford the exhorbitant premiums. JMHO and my NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
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    So...we have a portion of our society which does not see the death of fellow citizens for lack of health care access as problematic...we have citizens who base the value of fellow humans upon whether or not they are "contributing" to society...and we have political leadership which is more interested and engaged in playing politics, improving their payscale, and remaining in power than they are in actually improving things for the everyday american.

    How do we, as american citizens, reconcile these things? How do we insure that our government be as concerned about the well being of it's population as it is with other, off shore events?

    Do you think it is possible that we could convince our elected aristocrats to relinquish control of health care reform so that experts might have a voice in the design?
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    Quote from Treat et Street
    If it is a right, then we have some work to do. If a privelidge, you get what you can pay for, right? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
    In a country as good as ours it should be a RIGHT. Most of Europe and a few other countries (1st world countries like us) regard healthcare as a right. Unfortunately, America is always the one 1st world country behind all the rest of the 1st world countries in terms of public policy for the good of its citizens. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and I'm proud to be an American, but I feel its an honest fact. The U.S. is full of people that don't believe in providing a decent "base line" for all, regardless of social status etc. They believe healthcare is a PRIVILEGE. I volunteered at a free clinic and I saw many, many good hardworking women who worked day & night at fast food restaurants etc. (some married, some unmarried) come in with their terribly ill children. Without the clinic, they would have had nowhere else to go. Furthermore, in some cases there was only so much care the clinic could provide. I would like to have all those who are against providing healthcare to those without it, look those children in the face and say "No, you don't deserve healthcare." We pay for a lot of silly stuff with our taxes - lets pay for something good for a change, like paying to take care of our fellow Americans. To me, there is nothing political about it, its just called being a good citizen. JMHO
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    Quote from springing
    I just had this debate with a bunch of people in a philosophy forum!

    My take: whether healthcare is a right or a privilege is COMPLETELY meaningless. Really. Healthcare is essential for society to function properly. If you want to live in a civilized, productive society, you MUST provide healthcare. Complaining that it isn't a "right" misses the point that sometimes life isn't fair; you might not like the fact that it is necessary, but it is. So is some form of government; so are prisons (which your tax dollars ALSO go to support. Maybe we should just be executing felons, it would save money!); so is public education.

    Substitute healthcare for education. Can you imagine ever having a debate about whether or not we should be providing free education to children? Can you imagine people complaining that their taxes shouldn't go to provide public education for someone else's children (and, sadly, this does happen)? There are many families who could never afford to send their children to school if school cost money, or even if there was no bus service. They would also benefit from putting their kids to work instead of sending them to school. Maybe we should be pushing for that, eh?

    Without taxes going to support social services, or some way of providing and delivering social services to those who could not afford them otherwise, you don't have a country. You have Somalia. The fact that an organization that usually provides free care to impoverished, underdeveloped nations recently set up a free clinic in Tennessee should be considered a national shame.

    The strange thing about all this is that between providing healthcare and enshrining free speech, healthcare is far more important when it comes to extending your lifespan. Yet one is considered a right and one is not.
    Excellent post! I couldn't agree more!
    Bella'sMyBaby and herring_RN like this.


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