Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 59

by Asystole RN

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If one were to read the Constitution one would realize that the Constitution does not grant anyone freedoms, liberties, or rights. The Constitution only protects freedoms, liberties, and rights from transgressions on part of the... Read More


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    Right, and when they do, they will go out of business. Then the government will take over. Then they will be inefficient about it, as the government seems to do so darn well, and run it further into the ground, accumulate more debt for our kids to deal with, etc.

    Did you go into nursing because you just want everyone to be healthy, or because you want to be able to support yourself and your family? Most likely, both. I know I did. I love nursing, but wouldn't do it for minimum wage, that's for sure. If insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies do not have the financial incentive to keep providing services, they won't. I agree that there is corruption within the healthcare system and how it is run right now. But seriously, how can you think that the government taking over will not just be as much if not more corrupt?
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    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
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    Quote from tewdles
    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
    Theres a difference between choosing nursing for the money or wanting to make a living wage off of it.
    Oh, and without knowing WHEN you started nursing, that salary does not really mean much.
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    Quote from tewdles
    The federal government administrated the medicare program with greater efficiency and lower overheads than the private insurance company administrated their programs.
    When I became a nurse I started at less than $10/hr...my brother worked as a general laborer at the time and made quite a bit more money than me. I did not choose nursing for the pay.
    In most places, it is a insurance company who is administering Medicare for the government. When it is said that Medicare is administered more efficient, apples to apples are not being compared.

    "What about the claim that Medicares administrative costs are only 2 percent, compared to 10 percent to 15 percent for private insurers? The problem with this comparison is that it includes the cost of marketing and selling insurance as well as the costs of collecting premiums on the private side, but ignores the cost of collecting taxes on the public side. It also ignores the substantial administrative cost that Medicare shifts to the providers of care."
    Is Medicare More Efficient Than Private Insurance? Health Affairs Blog
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    Feel free to minimize the negative affect that for profit health insurance has had on our health delivery system...
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    It also talks about providing for the general welfare.
    Public health affects us all, whether in terms of communicable diseases or in terms of an epidemic of obesity which is driving the cost of healthcare over 17% of GDP.

    We would save 1 trillion dollars a year if we could just go back to 1980 obesity levels. There, no more health care crisis.
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    Our federal government supports other things that are not basic rights...like right to bear arms, right to freedom of speech, etc.
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    Yes, but then the processed food industry would be unhappy and send their army of lobbyists to put a stop to that nonsense. lol. Healthcare depends on sick people to drive profits. Big business drives government. Therein lies the problem. Get rid of lobbyists, make it illegal to buy votes.
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    Well, that is where the U.S. Constitution breaks away- It clearly states (based on the Declaration of Independence) that the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are NOT rights granted by a government, but are human rights inherent to us due to our creation, however that may have been done.

    The Constituionally guaranteed rights are spelled out in the Bill of Rights, but were designed to be "generic" in recognition that they could not possible predict how life would change in subsequent generations. There is no "right" to drive a car, to have electricity provided to your house, to have access to food, to vote, to have access to healthcare, or even to get married and have children.


    Each generation has had to make decisions about what "rights" mean, and how they change over time.

    The government has a Constitutional obligation to "provide for the general welfare".
    Last edit by John Silver on Apr 5, '13 : Reason: misspelling
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    Well, when big business buys government and uses tactics such as purposeful obfuscation and social engineering so that said generations, whom are too busy trying to eek out a living, cannot (out of ignorance) and/or do not have time to actually stand up for their rights in such a way that they can make decisions about what "rights" mean and how to change them, then the general welfare of said generation is not being provided. Straw man is alive and well. Fox is guarding the henhouse. And, yes, leaving the constitution open for interpretation was ingenious, and very advantageous.


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