Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 58

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    Quote from Winterling
    Can't stand it when people think they deserve healthcare just because they have a pulse. It's a luxury. Indoor plumbing is a luxury, too, and you don't see plumbers doing that for free. If you want healthcare, work hard so you can afford it. Play by the rules. Everyone makes their living somehow. Don't gip someone of their hard-earned money. You wouldn't be very happy if the public decided that you were to service them without any benefit to you. You wouldn't do your job for free. Don't expect others to. Complete socialism (no money circulating) doesn't work either. If there's no incentive to work, no one will work hard or work at all. Take away the incentive to work, and you've got a collapsed economy.
    Who does deserve health care in the USA?
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    Quote from MandaRN94
    Wow. I'm a little disgusted by some of the comments here. I believe in social justice and it is embarassing that we are a developed nation have so many uninsured. I believe in the ACA as a step in the right direction. How can anyone justify the US spending over a trillion in healthcare costs and have over 50 million uninsured -we spend more money than other developed countries and poorer quality indicators of health. We absolutely need healthcare reform with the notion that healthcare is a basic right.
    Mandra, being pessimistic about the Affordable Care Act is not the same as denying that the U.S. needs healthcare reform. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt that I am alone when I say that the U.S. healthcare non-system is badly in need of major changes, but I do not think that the ACA will produce the needed changes. As for it being a first step, first steps are only good when the step is taken in the right dirrection. I think that, in the case of the ACA, we have committed ourselves to an ineffective and costly solution that will lock us onto a path that we will regret. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and if future outcomes prove that I am wrong I will be very happy.
    Last edit by CountyRat on Jan 13, '13
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    Quote from tewdles
    Who does deserve health care in the USA?
    No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.
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    Quote from CountyRat
    No one deserves healthcare; or food, clothimg, and shelter. Needing something and deserving somethimg are very different.

    So Health care is a basic human need?
    As a society do we insure that our citizens can have their basic human needs met or do we leave it to survival of the fittest and the ability to pay for those basic needs?
    I, of course, was responding to the poster who mentioned people "deserving" health care.
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    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
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    Quote from dthfytr
    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
    Was this directed toward a particular post or comment?
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    Aimed at the original post. Shoulda made that clear. My bad.
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    Quote from dthfytr
    Your basic premise is: "Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment." This can only be true if humans don't exist in the natural environment. Since humans clearly do exist in the natural environment, have evolved into creatures capable of controlling their environment, and "invented" healthcare which I would argue was a matter of evolution and survival, your entire argument is invalid.
    Your argument would mean that everything in existence is natural. I do not think many people would agree with that.

    Is a B52 carrying a thermonuclear weapon natural? Is a Rubbermaid bin natural?
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    Quote from CountyRat
    Mandra, being pessimistic about the Affordable Care Act is not the same as denying that the U.S. needs healthcare reform. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt that I am alone when I say that the U.S. healthcare non-system is badly in need of major changes, but I do not think that the ACA will produce the needed changes. As for it being a first step, first steps are only good when the step is taken in the right dirrection. I think that, in the case of the ACA, we have committed ourselves to an ineffective and costly solution that will lock us onto a path that we will regret. I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and if future outcomes prove that I am wrong I will be very happy.
    Amen, brother!
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    Quote from kmcguirern
    We are all however, to be treated fairly and equally in here in the U.S.A, but sadly we are not. I don't think anything in our health care industry can be fixed until pharmaceutical companies and big business' are no longer able to profit from it. People are getting rich off of people being sick and that isn't right.
    Exactly. They need to operate at a (financial) loss for a few decades, just as our government is doing and has done for a long time. Only then will they learn their lesson.
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