Healthcare is NOT a basic human right.

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If one were to read the Constitution one would realize that the Constitution does not grant anyone freedoms, liberties, or rights. The Constitution only protects freedoms, liberties, and rights from transgressions on part of the government. A right is something that is inherent to the individual, comes from that individual, and is maintained by the individual. You are born with such rights like the right to speak freely, the only thing that can be done to that right is to have it infringed. No one can grant a right to another, only limit or impede the exercise of that right.

Healthcare is a human invention that does not exist in the natural environment. Only through the work of others and through the taking of resources from one party and giving to another does healthcare exist. You cannot force someone to give effort and resources to another and call that a right. In the absence of human intervention the individual would live their lives and succumb to the natural forces which would act upon their bodies.

Do I think we should provide preventative care and basic primary care? Sure. Do I think that we can? Maybe. Do I think that healthcare is a basic human right? Absolutely not.

For a nurse, a person that makes a LIVING off people with health insurance, while at the SAME time there are tens of THOUSANDS of nurses that cannot find work, to rag against health care as a human right? Like I've said before, and like what is fact- this is just more evidence that nursing eats its own young, and lacks the conviction, the influence, and the political power of professional organizations such as law and medicine, and why nursing is still considered 'declasse'. Like the hired help. Aside from the humanitarian (lacking) of this post? What message does a NURSE send to the world, stating that access to health care is a PRIVILEGE? Eegads.

In fact- this post is about as obscene and hypocritical as a defense lawyer claiming that indigent people ought not be entitled to the services of a public defender. Amazing. But not suprising.

Revolution = freedom from the right mind set ...

What exactly is the "right" mindset and what do you mean by freedom ? Don't you realize that your comment about making the rich pigs pay, or else, suggests just the opposite of freedom? Sounds like a Charles Manson type statement to me, he does have access to healthcare though.

Specializes in ICU, BURNS, TRAUMA, TRANSPORT, HH.
What exactly is the "right" mindset and what do you mean by freedom ? Don't you realize that your comment about making the rich pigs pay, or else, suggests just the opposite of freedom? Sounds like a Charles Manson type statement to me, he does have access to healthcare though.

This is a thread about health care and whether or not it is a "right".

Currently the most taxed group in this country are those who can least afford it...the working classes. All the while their $$ are being used to subsidize big business and the interests of our political elite while they tell us that we cannot afford social programs designed specifically for US.

The working classes are in need of affordable health care access.

The wealthiest and best off in the country seem to be telling us that this great country cannot afford that...WE THINK WE CAN.

yes! we can as long as those people in the higher ranks wont put our taxes in their pockets..

Currently the most taxed group in this country are those who can least afford it...the working classes.

The working classes are not the ones who pay the most taxes in this country. How about a little honesty in this debate?

On the subject of being honest, I think we need to acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of Americans, rich and poor, are responsible for the horrible economic condition of this country. For too many years we have failed to hold politicians accountable and have elected whoever the media tells us to without doing any real research. Can we all agree that we should push for a return to the constitutional principles this country was founded on ? Surely the answer to the economic problems of this country, healthcare included, can be found within the framework of the constitution. Does anyone agree with this?

I think we need to move toward a more intelligent discussion of the issue rather than keep throwing opinions back and forth. I am guilty of conducting myself poorly through some of this discussion, it's an emotionaly charged issue. Lets take emotion out of the equation, throw some ideas together and look at solutions. Also can we honestly and accurately compare our healthcare system to that of other countries? On some measures we excell, on others we fail. Is there one standard upon which we can honestly judge the ups and downs of our current system. How about a list of pros and cons to start with.

I'm trying to move the discussion forward, I regret my previous emotionally charged rants in this and other healthcare threads and also wish to appologies to tewdles for my behavior.

Lets move forward and discuss some real solutions.

Specializes in ICU, BURNS, TRAUMA, TRANSPORT, HH.

Except I didn't say they paid the most taxes...I said they are the most taxed and can least afford it.

Except I didn't say they paid the most taxes...I said they are the most taxed and can least afford it.

Yes, I see, that crossed my mind that that's what you meant.

Specializes in ICU, BURNS, TRAUMA, TRANSPORT, HH.

We are to blame because we have voted in the legislators who have been and are continuing to fleece us in the name of capitalism and balanced budgets. Beyond our votes...THEY are the culprits.

We are to blame because we have voted in the legislators who have been and are continuing to fleece us in the name of capitalism and balanced budgets. Beyond our votes...THEY are the culprits.

true but their deceptions are too powerful for most of us to notice though..

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true but their deceptions are too powerful for most of us to notice though..

I beg to differ...when you have those "gerrymandering" districts, making them harder to vote out as well as get our voices heard, you still know. I live in a blue learning state, with metro areas predominately blue, but because of gerrymandering, you have more conservative representatives, so there is a constant issue of a imbalance.

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