Health Care is a right

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I would do a poll on this, but I do not know how to - or maybe you need to be a premium member.

At any rate, I would like to hear some discussion on whether you feel health care is a right or not.

I personally do.

I find the news to be highly over rated television ads. If true life and fact is what one is after -go speak with those living in it and get first account, subjective statements. That said, the news is not evidence based, it more propaganda than anything else -they report what sells (or gets people to tune in at dinner time).

Please don't continue thinking an iPod=wealth. It could have been a gift, a donation, a well placed advertisement, it may have even been placed by the news crew as a prop in order to stir controversy, who knows.

I don't think any one is expecting others to feel sorry for the under/less privileged, I think all we're asking for is humanity instead. We need to realize some people are lazy, some are stupid, some have had unfortunate accidents, and some are just plain unfortunate...What ever the case, don't you think that if one child gets cancer therapy, shouldn't all???

Who's not getting cancer therapy?

And yes people on here all the time like to demonize conservatives as heartless and cruel for not wanting to pay for someone elses health care. The real compassion starts with the check book not some meaningless empathetic statements about how everyone derserves this or that or that everyone has a right to health care. I want to start seeing the libs pony up the cash to cover all these people. Let's start taking out an extra $1000/ month out of everyones paycheck on here that thinks health care is a right and then let's see exactly how much compassion they have for the "downtrodden".

I find the news to be highly over rated television ads. If true life and fact is what one is after -go speak with those living in it and get first account, subjective statements. That said, the news is not evidence based, it more propaganda than anything else -they report what sells (or gets people to tune in at dinner time).

Please don't continue thinking an iPod=wealth. It could have been a gift, a donation, a well placed advertisement, it may have even been placed by the news crew as a prop in order to stir controversy, who knows.

I don't think any one is expecting others to feel sorry for the under/less privileged, I think all we're asking for is humanity instead. We need to realize some people are lazy, some are stupid, some have had unfortunate accidents, and some are just plain unfortunate...What ever the case, don't you think that if one child gets cancer therapy, shouldn't all???

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Please don't continue thinking an iPod=wealth. It could have been a gift, a donation, a well placed advertisement, it may have even been placed by the news crew as a prop in order to stir controversy, who knows.

I mean really?! Do you seriously think Ipod is advertising by giving poor kids on TV ipods? or that news crews are trying to stir up controversy so subtly?

Specializes in ICU, Telemetry, Cardiac/Renal, Ortho,FNP.

A right? I guess as long as you mean nobody has right to deny you it. However, nobody has a right to force me to "pay" for it either. For that matter, nobody should have the right to force me to treat you either.

Specializes in Acute post op ortho.
What ever the case, don't you think that if one child gets cancer therapy, shouldn't all???

Of course they should. And they can, at St. Judes. All expense paid, food travel, lodging.

As far as the ipod being a gift. Please, don't make me laugh.

My kids go to public school, the ratio of 'underprivileged' kids is reaching 80% there.

Those kids wear clothes I can't afford, they wear $100.00 ball caps for Christs sake. And they are the very students carrying the latest cell phones, the best in backpacks, laptops.......

But pay for their own health care.....get real......they're too busy buying the latest 'gear'

I'll spell it out for you.

PRIORITIES.

Specializes in Med Surg, Tele, PH, CM.
The access to free health care is not a legal right at this time, BUT that does not mean that it wont be some time in the future.

Here is my state's , health care proposal, which by the way, states that health care access is a RIGHT ;

http://www.dhfs.state.wi.us/HealthyWisconsin/pdf/proposal.pdf

In most states now, citizens do enjoy a certain level of "rights" regarding access to health care. Someone without insurance who has an emergent issue can walk into any not-for-profit ER in the country. In the event hospitalization is required, patients who cannot afford it can be placed on temporary Medicaid that will pay their bills and cover them through the recuperation period. I work with the Medicare/Medicaid population, and at any given time, I have several patients on my case load who are on temporary Medicaid because of cancer treatment or other serious issues.Another option is charitable clinics and public heath to some extent. We have an excellent free clinic in the small town in which I live. I refer people to it all the time. But I am always amazed by the number of people who will not access these resources because they do not want to have to provide documentation of their elegibility status. Health care should be a right, but I feel just as strongly that it should also be a responsibility. The current system is definatly not perfect, but I do not see people dying on the streets because they cannot afford healthcare, I see them dying because they do not consider it a responsibility to access the services available.

Specializes in Psych , Peds ,Nicu.
The current system is definatly not perfect, but I do not see people dying on the streets because they cannot afford healthcare, I see them dying because they do not consider it a responsibility to access the services available.

Heres a possibility , you have a new grad in their first job , so income is relatively low , they have to prioiritize how they spend their income ; food and / or housing ( a definite need) versus healthcare premium ( a responsibility ,but because they are young and healthy , they do not feel it's a need ).

You may not think people are dying on the streets because they cannot afford healthcare , they are , they may be able to access emergent care , but not on going care . Or given the choice of how they allocate their small income they , view the risk of needing healthcare as low , only, unfortunately to have a problem which ends with them in the ER. From our perspective , their choices may be poor , but if we walked intheir shoes , maybe we would have made the same decisions .

no one is dying in the streets except by choice and yes it does come down to priorities. Perhaps wait to buy the brand new car after graduation or get a roommate or don't rack up the credit card charges. This notion that all these young people are just out there dying is devoid of reality. Especially the notion that everything is just hunky dory because you have health insurance.

"Ignorance, the most expensive commodity we pay for in this country!" Rush Limbaugh

Heres a possibility , you have a new grad in their first job , so income is relatively low , they have to prioiritize how they spend their income ; food and / or housing ( a definite need) versus healthcare premium ( a responsibility ,but because they are young and healthy , they do not feel it's a need ).

You may not think people are dying on the streets because they cannot afford healthcare , they are , they may be able to access emergent care , but not on going care . Or given the choice of how they allocate their small income they , view the risk of needing healthcare as low , only, unfortunately to have a problem which ends with them in the ER. From our perspective , their choices may be poor , but if we walked intheir shoes , maybe we would have made the same decisions .

The IPOD/big screen tv meme is just another version of Ronald Reagans Welfare queen with the cadillac. Never supported in reality and in fact just a prop to attack the less fortunate.

Health care is a right in the same way that it represents our values as a society.....What we really need is a system of employer and individual mandates to have everyone paying into the system. I agree that we have to make it an individual priority. We have had to mandate seatbelt usage. Why not health insurance?

Are you going to pay me to buckle up? Are you willing to pony up an extra $1000/month for someone elses healthcare or just wanting others to do so?

We have had to mandate seatbelt usage. Why not health insurance?
Specializes in Psych , Peds ,Nicu.
no one is dying in the streets except by choice and yes it does come down to priorities. absolutely agreed , the problem is how do you make those who choose ( i do not include those who are too limited in financial or any other resource , in this catagory ) not to make provision for theirhealthcare ,when they could , but run the risk in any case? perhaps wait to buy the brand new car after graduation or get a roommate or don't rack up the credit card charges. this notion that all these young people are just out there dying is devoid of reality true , but also the notion that the majority of the uninsured driving around in new cars , living in mansions with maxed out credit cardsis equally devoid of reality , a large number had insurance , lost it when they got sick and are no longer able to get coverage due to pre existing conditions . especially the notion that everything is just hunky dory because you have health insurance.again far from it ,because the insurance will desert you as quick as they can if they can find a way to drop you .

"ignorance, the most expensive commodity we pay for in this country!" rush limbaugh

seems appropriate , he's well paid and ignorant
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